Don't know about Wersi's, Bill, but record noise samples have been built into Roland's and Korg's (and probably Yamaha's) for quite some time, now (had them in the G1000, for sure).

The thing is, few styles ever use them, or the band limiting EQ that makes the clarinet demo so effective. But this is not to say they don't already exist on what you have now...

As I have said for a long time, most of the value in a new arranger isn't in the hardware. It's the new styles. Some VERY gifted people work on these, and Yamaha are some of the very best in this department. But, once you hear some of these tricks, it's easy enough to apply them to the arranger you have...

Getting the 'sound' of older recordings is often a case of use of careful EQ... 78's had one kind of EQ curve, vinyl from the fifties had a different curve from the vinyl of the late seventies. Apply these kinds of band limiting EQ tricks on styles you already have will go a long way to capturing that 'vintage' sound. Add a little record noise, and Bob's your uncle!

And I am still amazed at how expectant some are about a new Roland's capabilities (or even appearance!).

For starters, forget the FantomG. Roland have NEVER incorporated this year's latest WS technology in an arranger. Took them over four years or more before they even incorporated OLD Fantom sounds and engine capabilities into the G70. And NONE of the Fantom's loop and audio capabilities were ever ported over.

There seem to be clear indications that future Roland arrangers will be built on the Sonic Cell engine, which is firmly rooted in old Fantom technology. They don't have a product anywhere in their entire catalog that has anything like Mega voice technology (or what little there is is extremely disappointing, compared to even a lowly S900), multipads are nowhere to be seen...

I am confused as to exactly what technology Roland already have that COULD be leveraged into a groundbreaking new Roland. In all fairness, even the FantomG is hardly a great leap forward, except in it's DAW capabilities. What's one of the things it touts the most? Yep, glitch-less patch changes (to a limited degree). We've had that on Roland arrangers for well over a decade...

All I anticipate is a refinement of existing technologies, but to expect Roland to pull a rabbit out of their hat for the arranger division alone is optimistic, at best. One would expect to see groundbreaking technologies across the board if Roland could be reasonably expected to do it for the arranger division as well (probably their LOWEST priority division, from all indications ), but, where is the beef?

Only modern techno and hiphop products like the V-Synth carry any kind of 'next-gen' banner for Roland, these days... Few of us will go wild at the inclusion of this in an arranger

Fixes, refinements, a few more sounds and effects capabilities, MP3 playback and possibly recording, some new styles... To expect any more than this is wildly optimistic, IMO...

Quoting Diki,
"Don't know about Wersi's, Bill, but record noise samples have been built into Roland's and Korg's (and probably Yamaha's) for quite some time, now (had them in the G1000, for sure)"

Yep the record noise is present in the Dance drum kit on Ty2 (and may be present on earlier PSR's too.)

John

It is an actual style that you can download already for the T2:
http://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/index.php...ype=Style+Files

Scroll down to 20's swing and listen.
It sounds like an old record.

Eric

this is really disappointing. This demo does nothing for me. Why would you want to sell your T2 to purchase some new bag pipe sounds and cracklin Record sounds in a style ??? Whats up with that ???? If yamaha want buyers to purchase the latest greatest then show us something special .....

[This message has been edited by spalding (edited 08-07-2008).]

I agree with Spalding. Yamaha is really blowing it by showcasing their new flagship Tyros 3 with a bagpipe and a funky (junky) clarinet and old-timey honky-tonk piano!

Please! Cute novelties, but hardly mainstay playing voices. The next parts of the puzzle better be spectacular, or I'm afraid Yamaha won't be selling many T3's.

Tom G.

I can't believe anyone cares about the demos one way or the other... Unlike Wersi, MS, and probably Ketron, most of us will be able to get our hands on one of these to play for ourselves. So, if the demo is of a musical style you are not into, what's the big deal? When you finally play one, call up the genres that you are likely to use, and see for yourself if it is what you are looking for.

There's far too much member generated hype here... Every arranger that comes out is supposed to be ground-breaking, sound totally new, and totally superior to it's predecessor, apparently. But for the life of me, I can't see where this has ever happened Every arranger is an incremental improvement over it's predecessor, building on the strengths that everyone liked, and correcting a few of it's weaknesses. A few new features get added, but the company is flirting with disaster if it brings something out that is 100% different from it's predecessor.

Mind you, I find it amusing that the very person that expects us to take his word for how good the 'open' system arrangers are supposed to be, (please don't take any notice of the crappy demos ), is the one person that seems the most determined that Yamaha HAVE to provide HIM with outstanding demos, or they are unlikely to sell well!

As far as I am concerned, the demos were fine. Hardly representative of the arranger, in a few cases (but I imagine they were put there to demo the latest SA voices, at least as far as the bagpipes and clarinet go), but how do you demo the T3 with just four examples?

If you want to see what Yamaha are likely to have available for us to listen to by the time the T3 actually hits the stores, I suggest you take a look at the T2 demos page. There are dozens and dozens of audio demos there, covering every conceivable sound and style, plus direct comparisons between older T1 styles and sounds and the T2 versions of the same. Quite excellently put together, I might add. Yamaha certainly know marketing, that's for sure.

But these demos didn't appear until the T2 was actually in the stores. As the T3 stuff will also be...

Have a little patience, and don't even TRY to judge a complex TOTL arranger from a measly four short demo teaser... Ye Gods! "Instant gratification' gone wild!

your taking the comment out of context Diki. These demos are meant to show off the T3 which it does . Unfortunately the demos dont show off the instrument for the better. Noone is relying on these demos to represent all the styles and all the sounds of the latest and greatest, not in the slightest. what is disappointing is that the demos, yamaha have chosen to whet our appetites are hardly awe inspiring are they ? I remember how my jaw dropped when i heard the T2 SA sax and concert guitar. It did not by any means represent the standard of the other sounds on the T2 which are good but not in the same league as the SA voices. But it did actuallly make me want to go out and look for a T2 to demo.But so far i have heard some demos from the T3 that may as well have been the T2 or even T1 when listening to the latest piece of the jigsaw. it just doesnt inspire me to even look for one to try when they come out. But if anyone wants to discard thier T2 for a knock down knock out price let me know !!

I never fully believe a manufacturer's demos ... it's like digital photography, where I never fully believe that what I am looking at is an exact photo of what the photographer saw ...

t.

Wow, DNJ everyone is so fixated on the T3, they blew right by your HUGE assessment of the next Roland Arranger KB.