Ian,

From your previous posts how is it you've determined Yamaha is the "best" and yet you've never played a Wersi or Lionstracs in person? It's laughable that you reserve judgment for the Tyros 3 to hear it in person yet you don't use that same mentality when it comes to concluding other brands besides Yamaha are "losers".

I also have to wonder what "CD like quality" is supposed to mean regarding Yamaha arranger drum sounds. Sure the Tyros drums are free from noise and are "short" samples if that's what you call tight. Are Yamaha's arranger drum sounds realistic and do they sound like a drummer drumming? No way. Even my vintage Forat F9000 and F16 have superior drum sounds and they're not even 16 bit.

Yamaha Custom Series drum sets sound phenomenal in the studio and I've recorded many a Custom Series drum set and loved the tone and sound. The Tyros drums sound absolutely nothing like that. You'd think Yamaha could at least sample a reasonable facsimile of the their Custom Series drum set but so far that seems unattainable for them on their arrangers. If they can offer better drum sounds on their professional workstations then why do they put such lackluster drums in their arrangers?

From Ensnaryou :
" yet you've never played a Wersi or Lionstracs "
I am still waiting for a demo showing the Wersi drums and sounds as well.
Chico




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Yamaha is "the best" for my needs, and it may or may not meet yours.

I will be able to try a T3...can't say the same for Wersi or Lointracs...so the on-line demos will have to suffice.

The demos are no where near the quality of those put up by the Big Three...why?

I've heard nothing but excuses about these demos...losers make excuses, in my opinion, and until I hear something at least as good as the demos by Yamaha, Roland and Korg, I will continue to voice my opinion based on what I've heard.

Korg arrangers aren't sold in my area, but their demos make me want to try them out in person...can't say the same for Wersi or Lointracs...I wouldn't waste my time.

Ian

The drums on the last Wersi demo I listened to on here would have shamed my 1988 Roland E-20.

Wersi have done nothing remotely exciting in drums since the CX-1.

I thought Yamaha would really use the "Super Articulation" feature on the drums. For example, to adjust mic pick-up between drums, or snare fuzz using the mod wheels or buttons...

I thought they would definitely do it. It just made so much sense after what they've already done with their SA sounds to make them realistic...

Very sad...

I could be wrong , but wont Yamaha be offering SA2 voices on the internet to download in the future ?

So if anything is lacking , as far as SA Drums , maybe down the road they will make them available.

Ian , Is this correct ?

Later

Gary 

Well sports fans, if you don't like the drum sounds, you can always tune them until they sound the way you think they should sound. It's not neurosurgery, but you will have to take the instruction manual out of the zip-loc bag, open it up, then read the section on tuning styles. You can make those drums as hot or soft as you like--it's easy.

As for real, live drums, the ones where the guy sitting on the drum throne is slamming those sticks as hard as he can on everything within reach--NAH, I don't want any part of that in my performances ever again. Been there, done that, got the Tee-shirt, and hat and lost some of my hearing in the process.

As earlier stated, I'll reserve my judgment on the T3 when I get to play one. Anything else is akin to judging a book by it's cover--it can't be done!

Cheers,

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

This makes more sense than anything else I've read. WTG, Gary.

Can't answer your question at this time, Gary...we are all waiting for hands on and more info.

Ian

quote:Originally posted by travlin'easy:

"Well sports fans, if you don't like the drum sounds, you can always tune them until they sound the way you think they should sound. It's not neurosurgery, but you will have to take the instruction manual out of the zip-loc bag, open it up, then read the section on tuning styles. You can make those drums as hot or soft as you like--it's easy."

>> The question is not making them as hot or soft as you want, it's making the "preset" Drum Kits as "realistic sounding as possible" to a real Drum Set Gary. When your starting point is one of excellence i.e. great sounding preset Drum Kits (which is Yamaha's obligation by the way) tweaking them is then only a matter of one's preference, instead of having lousy presets to begin with and spending hours trying to improve them by tweaking the snot out of them. And which in most cases will still never be to an acceptable level because what you had to work with was sub-par to begin with.

"As for real, live drums, the ones where the guy sitting on the drum throne is slamming those sticks as hard as he can on everything within reach--NAH, I don't want any part of that in my performances ever again. Been there, done that, got the Tee-shirt, and hat and lost some of my hearing in the process."

>> Banging the Drums as loud as you can in no way translates into the quality of the Drum sounds themselves Gary. C'mon Gar, be real now. What does banging the Drums loudly have ANYTHING to do with quality. We're trying to stress "quality" of sound here not someone banging the keys or turning the volume way up okay?

"As earlier stated, I'll reserve my judgment on the T3 when I get to play one. Anything else is akin to judging a book by it's cover--it can't be done!"

>> True, one shouldn't judge a book 'only' by its cover. But that is not the case we're up against regarding the T3 because we have actually already "heard" sound bytes from the T3 Drum Kits which in reality 'already' "reveals" something of the T3's true nature and substance regarding the quality of the T3 Drum kits. Which is akin to reading material 'inside' the cover of a book and not just observing the cover of that book from a distance or from what you've heard second hand or in print. In other words, judging a book by its cover - would be like Yamaha listing the specs of the T3 and saying it has all new Drum Kits but never posting anything to demonstrate or prove it. But of course they HAVE posted demos of the "all new" Drum Kits which essentially negates the "I don't want to judge a book by its cover" analogy. You're hearing professionally produced demos by Yamaha demonstrating the "all new" Drum Kits with your own ears Gary. You have much more than just a cover to make at least a subjective determination in my opinion. Even if they are in .mp3 format. What I hear from the T3 demos is 'very' similar in sound to the T2 and immediately conveys to me the basic nature of how they will sound in person. I would like to hear the T3 in person of course, to make a 'final' determinatation of the quality. But from what Yamaha has already posted I really seriously doubt they will sound remarkably better in person than what has already been posted in these demos.

To the true professional who wants true professional results in his or her sounds, it seems to me that the T3 will once again disappoint and not pass muster in their eyes, at least regarding the Drums anyway. As I've already stated though, the majority of prospective T3 owners (who mostly tend to be European home hobbyists who play for their own personal pleasure) the T3 drums will most likely suffice them, plus also others who have less discriminating sound ideals as well. But to gigging musicians playing before discriminating audiences who know the difference between what sounds real, and what sounds artificial or fake; I think you will find most, if not all of them, searching for greener pastures and bypassing the T3 altogether, in my opinion. Besides, the 61 key limitation thingy.

Best,
Mike

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