Chony good thinking....but let me ask everyone .....these arrangers sound great ....the Tyros 3 has all these new so called inovative ways to play SA sounds etc etc ....BUT lets not forget no matter how good they make them sound in demos that DOESN'T meant YOU will be able to make them sound that great in general......you could have the best KB in the world but thats no match for peoples personal playing talent...in fact I believe that the Tyros 3 in the hands of a not so good player will sound terrible because they wont have the talents to utilize these sounds & features properly...I hope you understand where I'm coming from.....The Tyros 3 doesn't make anyone a better player....with that said...I will also say that some people after hearing these T3 demos & then going out and'buying one will be sorely disappointed with the outcome thinking this magic arranger will solve their lack of skill, where someone on a Tyros 1 who is exception could make it sound unbelievable.....I personally would rather see Better & Easier Navigational live play features implimented then all this mumbo jumbo sound stuff....but that's me. At this point Im happy with sounds & styles....I'm not happy with Features on any arranger & hopefully one day they will listen to REAL pro players in the trenches to change them for the better then they are now.

Buyer beware!

You mean like Dom does?

How come this guy gets a pass, and Ian gets the same tired stuff..? Ian would spout the same stuff even if he WEREN'T employed by Yamaha... And given how class an act Steve is (YamahaUS1), let us not for one MOMENT try to pretend that Yamaha actually DO have any influence over what Ian says..

Let's just call a fanboy a fanboy, and have done with it. Plenty of company on this forum without the slightest job necessity, IMO.

Dom, OTOH, IS spamming the forum to tout his warez, and bad-mouthing ALL his competition for his own personal gain. Where is the outrage??

Aim it at where it belongs FIRST, Dan.

[This message has been edited by Diki (edited 09-10-2008).]

Judge me if you like...I still think the Wersi and Lointrac demos are awful....it has nothing to do with "responsibility" or "class"...it does, however have to do with my right to voice an opinion.

Ian

Diki,

You HAVE NOT seen or even played a Wersi or a Mediastation in person therefore you don't have a clue as to what either one truly sounds like. Everything else is merely conjecture on your part ands that's a fact!

I use my ears quite well thank you and I have a set of Mastering monitors as well as other high end studio monitors to listen through. If it doesn't sound good on my system then the problem isn't with the reference system, its the source. I can assure you both the Wersi and the Lionstracs have nothing to be ashamed of in the sound department.

If you truly believe that people all over the world have spent thousands and even tens of thousands of dollars on Wersi and Lionstracs and are refraining from bashing the instruments because they "paid too much" and are in "denial", you're a fool. I have an arsenal of pro keyboards, synthesizers, and samplers, most that many people have never seen let alone could ever afford. Unlike yourself, I have a solid basis to judge the Mediastation and Wersi side by side in person against all these other keyboards. Can you say the same?

You seriously need to shut the hell up if you can't offer opinions based in fact. Your endless rhetoric about how these high end arrangers are crap when you haven't even seen or heard one is a total waste of bandwidth.

A demo? No...? Just one teensy, weensy ickle one for Uncle Diki?

I thought so...

Begging for faith and trust, in the face of overwhelming proof (are ALL the demos really completely different to how it sounds? - and I mean a complete change, not 24bit crap as opposed to MP3 crap) is the last resort of religious fundamentalists.

Next you'll be trying to persuade me that the sun rises in the west, won't you..? As long as I NEVER go outside to look, you've got the same point as your 'don't trust the demos' argument. But there are windows in my house. Going to try to persuade me that the windows don't show me TRULY what is going on?

I mean, they COULD be mirrors, couldn't they?

Look, apparently, you HAVE played your MS enough to know how good it is. But, amazingly, for as long as you have had it, you've NEVER hit 'record' while you played it. I guess playback of ANY kind doesn't do justice to the subjective impression of magnificence you get while playing an über-expensive VSTi host. Ahhh, the smell of rich Corinthian leather...

Nigel......get the LOCK Ready!!

Nah, no lock needed...it's just a full and robust exchange of views!!

Of course Miden your so right.....if you want Robust exchanges just ask someone here to post a song instead of yapping about them

I think when persons try to compare the Tyros with the mediastation they are mixing apples and oranges.
They are not the same type of keyboard.
Just because on the Mediastation you can play styles and it has arranger features, does not put it in the same category as the Tyros.
The Tyros is just an arranger and is marketed as such.
The mediastation on the other hand is a different type of keyboard. Yes it is an arranger but it is also a lot more than an arranger.
It has features as would a traditional workstation would have and it also has audio recording. It uses computer technology to assemble some of its sounds.
So you see Tyros is really at best 30% of what the mediastation is.

That is why persons would buy the mediastation and pay a price that is more than a Tyros. Tyros is jus an arranger Mediastation is arranger, workstation DAW + integrated in a single unit.
Persons who own and have played a Korg PA 1x, 2x, or 800 or a Gem Genesys would be better able than Yamaha or Roland arranger users to understand what the Mediastation is.

When I hear person say that their computer can do this and that, so why do I need a mediastation, I have to laugh because they underscore that they do not understand what the mediastation is.
The mediastation prevents you from having to take to a gig and from having to set-up at a gig a computer, keyboard, soundcard, midi and USB cables. And prevents you from having to make it all work between different platforms.

One of the problems that mediastation have is marketing. Some one other than the developer needs to promote the product. They need to do like Yamaha, Roland and Korg and get some one to create materials and hype to appeal to peoples need for instant gratification and need to cover up their inability to use an electronic musical instrument.

There is no doubt that better demos would help in promoting the product. But I have to caution that online demos can go both ways. Some one can make a keyboard sound good in a demo and another person can make the same keyboard bad playing it live. Likewise a person could make a keyboard demo sound bad but another person can make that same keyboard sound good live.

I am sure all of us can take a T2 or a G70 use a GM bank for sounds and put up a real bad demo.

If the spects of the Mediastation are what they are advertised to be, even if the online demos are not what I expect them to be, it does not deter me from wanting to try the mediastation in person. I guess that is because I understand styles, VSTs, and the benefit of integration. I am not just a one fingered OTB CD sounding arranger player.

I agree with you man... I honestly think one of the biggest things about the MS that deters players here (other than lack of demos) is that the MS is literally a bad-ass music PC with one hell of a custom midi controller. I've noticed here that when something as complex as the MS with it's OS being computer based for example..., and with some here the moment you mention MIDI.., well they're running the other way. You're also right in that the MS isn't just an arranger. Sure it has arranger features, but it's so much more than that..., and it goes so much deeper than any traditional arranger made by the top 3. The arranger section is just one of the many HUGE features of the MS. The MS does have features that puts in a class above the other top arrangers too.

I will say however..., that you may not get a good response on this comment

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I am not just a one fingered OTB CD sounding arranger player.
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