Yes Ian as an instrumentlist as yourself, & including everyone's different needs as a player I can see your views.....
but, one opinion does not make it overwhelmingly correct for all.

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I agree, Donny, but I'm basing this on several opinions...and opinions of people I trust and who know their stuff.

Sure, Tyros3 is primarily a "home" instrument, but depending on your needs, it will serve a professional very well.

Lots of T2s out there doing the job, as well as S900s...I know, I'm contact with lots of pros who use these instruments and are quite happy with them...no need to think the T3 isn't capable of doing the same.

Your needs might be different, so perhaps you might lean towards a Korg or Roland, or you might want to use a more efficient harmonizer than the on-board unit on the Tyros3.

I do know the T3 sure is tempting.

Ian

Ian.....good points Im just saying that for example for me as a Singer Player...the Yamaha VH is useless, so I now use an outboard TC VH unit.....I use a Tyros for the tilt display screen and good sounds without the SA technology...and I make it all sound wonderful night after night. I'll admit I've thought long and hard about the T3 money not in the equation, but when I add up the plus & minuses.....my needs are just not there to substantiate buying one.....especially when I know in a year or so there will be more units on their way to market that seem to be more on track with my Gigging needs...Although Yamaha TOTL units sound very good....Korg & Roland & Ketron seem to address the pro player's feature & navigational needs on stage a bit more.

They each have their advantages, Donny...as well as their liabilities.

Since I'm primarily an instrumentalist, the need for the very best in solo voices and great styles keeps me in the Yamaha camp...I especially love Yamaha's "finished" CD quality sound, so nice for recording as well as doing a fine job with "live" work.

I'm sure Roland has something in the works...let's hope so...the T3 will not be for everyone, and it would be nice to have a choice, other than Korg.

I remember many years ago, in my "car" days, there were Ford and Chevy camps...and occasionally we'd see a guy driving a Rambler or a Dodge...it's all about perceived quality, hype and belly bumping...that's what I love about this forum...it's got heart and enthusiasm and variety.

First place I visit, and last place I check up on before shutting down for the night.

You go through many more keyboards than I, but ultimately, we want the same thing...something that let's us express ourselves as fully, and as intuitively as possible.

Yamaha does that for me.

Ian

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Which particular Casio did you think was as good as the GW-8, Ian...? I got to check it out!

I know you've seen and heard everything posted (well, most of it!) about the GW-8, so far. But thank God there's at least ONE sucky demo, so you can lay into it and promote YOUR personal keyboard instead.

Perhaps we should return the favor, find the WORST S900 demo out there, and use that to 'prove' the S900 is no better than a Casio, too...

Sometimes you score a point, but this one is a swing and a miss, old boy!

Diki..., as far as I'm concerned I would seriously question the credibility of someone who likens a SonicCell/Fantom X sound engine to that of a cheap Casio.., and then comes to that conclucion based on a shotty video demo posted on YouTube of all places.

I've seen very poor quality S-900 demos (that due to the shotty camera) could easily be compared to a Casio as well.

One of the older models Diki...I think it was the M10...I do admit it was slightly better than the VL-1. although I took off a few points for it not having a built in calculator.

I notice an echo on the forum is it a squeak?

Actually I like the idea of the GW8 and the sound of the other GW-8 demos, but of course, an opportunity to flagrantly promote Yamaha will never be passed up.

Sucky demos abound on YouTube on just about everything, Yammies included...Donny landed a good one though, for sure.

Still no word on a G70 replacement?

Ian

The CIA have been sending representatives to Roland to consult with them on how effective their security is At least SOMEONE can stop leaks from happening...

Or maybe they just learned a lesson from the Audya, and don't promote a product until they have actually MADE it!

No word yet on the S900 replacement?

I think Donny knows...but he's following Roland's ethic.

Do you if the GW8 will have styles suited to North America?

Ian

Ian Ive read the GW8 manual & although there is a nice latin bank...there are plenty of styles for all genres for sure....plus you can convert & load G70 styles into it also....read the manual & take a look...its just not for Latin players.

61 keys with velocity

Maximum polyphony - 128 voices

Parts - 16 parts, plus keyboard part

Wave memory - 256MB (16-bit linear equivalent)

Preset memory - Performances: 128, Tones: 896 + 256(GM2) + World, Rhythm Sets: 32 + 9 (GM2) + World

User memory - Performances: 128, favorite performances: 100, favorite tones: 100

Effects - MFX: upper and lower / 78 types, Chorus: 3 types, Reverb: 5 types

Back type - Style, song, USB memory player

Tempo (MIDI) - 20 to 250

Style variations - 4 intro, 4 main, 4 ending, 4 fill in, synch, start, stop, one-touch setting

Song recorder - 16-track, record mode (mix, replace), count in, punch in-out, input quantize

USB memory player - 999 songs, SMF: format-0/1, Audio File: WAV/AIFF/MP3

Preset memory - Styles: 130 + World

User memory - Styles: 100, Songs: 200

Controllers: D BEAM, Pitch/bend modulation lever, two control knobs

Display - 240 x 64 dots white graphic LCD

Output jacks - L/Mono, R

External input jack, hold pedal jack, control pedal jack

MIDI I/O

USB - supports USB MIDI and USB 2.0 Hi-Speed Flash Memory

Power supply - DC 9V (AC Adapter)

Current draw - 1,000 mA

Accessories - Owner's manual, CD-ROM (Style Converter 3.0, Playlist Editor), AC Adapter (PSB-1U), Music Player Pad, USB Memory Protector

Operating System Requirements - Windows XP Home SP2 or later / Windows XP Professional SP2 or later / Windows Vista (does not work with 64-bit Vista)

Dimensions - 41-3/16" W x 12-9/16" D x 4-1/16" H

Weight - 13 pounds, 4 ounces




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