This is just a demo I put together after hearing one of Mark Anderson's registration to show off the new guitar algorithm. I emphasized the drums to show you the new Acoustic Kit. I'm not loving the way the MP3 turned out, The bass drum in particular sufferred from the conversion. But I didn't want to send it to some pro to record, so here it is, warts and all.
http://www.box.net/shared/t6rfjbplpv

This is Mark playing, not me. Contrary to the rumors, you wouldn't want to hear me play.

Comments please!

Thanks,

Steve Deming

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Nice one, Steve (or Mark!)...

I think it's the reverb level that makes it washy, myself...

Is there any detailed info on the new guitar mode other than just the manual (which isn't exactly a primer)?

Are they different NTT's for guitar voicing, or are there other tricks involved? I'm afraid the example played doesn't really move the changes around a whole lot, so it's difficult to tell what's going on.

I am a HUGE fan of these new MIDI based performance enhancers. Correct guitar voicing, lead lines that don't jump around as you change chords... what's next...? I'm hoping for chord parts (pianos, brass, strings, etc.) that revoice to the closest inversion, rather than, if the style's original chord is root, every time you change chords, it jumps to the root of that. You know, the whole 'voice leading' thing. It should help realism out enormously...

How about a mode that takes the inversion you are playing for the ACC parts, but NOT the bass? That would make for much smoother voice leading...

Personally, I think audio loops are a dead end for quite a while (until technology can make them change to any chord in realtime, like the new Melodyne thingy), but these more accurate instrument voicing algorithms can get us SO close the point is moot...

Thanks Steve , it`s always good to know that you are still around , although you may not post as much as we would like , I appreciate the file.

Sounds good !!

While you are here , what about us Mac users ???

When O When is Yamaha going to be writing software for Mac`s ???

Sure , I could run out and buy an emulator and then buy the required Windows Op Sys , but I already spent a ton of cash on my new Tyros 3.

Would you please talk to the "powers that be" and ask them for me as well as many other Mac users that also happen you enjoy Yamaha keyboards , that we want to take full advantage of ALL there features , just like Window users can.

I believe I paid for "software included" , it`s just to bad I need more software to use what Yamaha has given.

Thanks again , and take care ,

Gary 

I imagine you've seen the reference manual, but just in case, it says that there are three transposition table to chhose from when the NTR (Note Transposiition Rule)is set to GUITAR:
ALL-PURPOSE This table covers both strummed- and arpeggio-played sound.
STROKE Suitable for stroke-played sound of the guitar. Some notes may
sound as if it is muted—this is normal condition when the chord is
played on guitar by stroke.
ARPEGGIO Suitable for arpeggio-played sound of the guitar. Using this table,
four notes arpeggio sounds most beautiful.

That is all I know about it at this point, And I think that's probably all we need to know in order to make music with it. Of course we will need to experiment in order to understand how a particular chord responds to the Guitar NTT, but the factory styles use sophisticated examples that are more comples than I will be able to improve upon, so other than revoicing and reassembling, the availble Yamaha styles will be sufficient for me.

I am not the only Yamaha person that reads this site. Your voice is being heard. But I think even though MAC has made a serious resurgence in recent years, most Yamaha customer are still using PC. I could do a survey, so we can know better.

Steve,
I have had my T3 for a week now and I can't say enough about how nice it sounds live and how great the newly reworked styles sound.

One question, is there a reason Yamaha did not include a way to change the voices in preset styles on the screen that shows all the voices in the current style? That is a feature I really liked about the Korg PA1x and it would have been a really be big improvement for the T3.

Hammer

Wow... the demo is completely drowned in reverb. Surely the mp3 compression is the least problem with this...I could supply Yammi with hearing aids.

Thank you for posting this Demo....What bothers me is the COMPRESSED Drums that all Yamaha units have....they just don't sound like a real drummer.

Not exactly a love drummer. For for studio work many drumms are compressed. For CD's thes drums save a lot of post production work. The whole keyboard seems to be designed in that regard,

The Korg has many instruments that sound far more in your face live which would have to be tamed in a polished CD again depnding if you you are recording Standards and Pop tunes.

Heavy Rock,,,this is NOT the keyboard. I have not heard a rock guitar chordal progression I would use. I have to pull the Fender off the wall to get those. BUT the leads are great especially if you use the loop inserts to you favorite guiar processor.

The "poppy" example above is at the limit of what I would use asa rhythm guitar.

Sorry, but I've yet to hear a Yamaha demo where I thought 'this sounds like a live drummer, compressed in the studio'.

To be honest, very little arranger work I've heard here makes much of a nod towards the drummer, often treating that part as just a timekeeper, rather than an integral part of the musical ensemble. You hear it in mixes (where the solo voices are always too damn loud and the drums are too damn quiet) all the time.

Maybe it's all part of not looking the drummer in the eye, and realizing that he IS at least 1/4 of the MUSICIANS on stage with you. Many of us think of him as an afterthought, just a fancy metronome (which we go ahead and ignore, anyway! ).

But listen to any popular music, and one of the first things you feel is the groove... Lose that at your peril! Not enough of us listen back to ourselves and ask ourselves 'Am I louder than the drums?', which you'll hear happening on VERY few pro pop records. Plus, of course, you get louder than the drums, and there goes your timing if you can't hear him well

Give the drummer some..!

Steve,
Is the Tyros 3 Reference Manual available as a hard copy? I would like to purchase one if you can advise. I did download the PDF version.

JR

Then again many have to substantiate what they paid for these arrangers and will at any cost DEFEND IT to teh hilt no matter what is said or how they feel honestly deep inside because if they realize they made a huge mistake a major guilt trip in bestowed coupled with buyers remorse & that is a recipe for an Unhappy Camper

Whoa, Donny!

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...

Remember the PSR 3k... or the PA800?

I seem to remember a fair bit of 'defense' back in those days..!

You reap what you sow

Yes, how quick we forget...all the gushing about the PA-800 was my favorite, seconded by the revisiting of the PSR.

Ian

Ian & Diki.....yes excitement overtakes a person sometimes I'm only human...but thank goodness I have the financial ability to move on at that time & seek other tools for my needs. As in my latest Roland post I said TIME my friends is the answer to happiness....but believe me after 40+ years of gigging I know whats right for me gear wise. I feel no shame in dumping a KB that even after gushing excitement, raving about & touting its advantages, if after time it doesn't provide what I need its gone period.
But rest assured pro or con every unit will make money for me many times over its cost

Carry on

Donny, we're just kiddin' with ya, man...you make this place a better place.

Ian

How?

Ian contrary to what Chas thinks & I hope to buy him a beer at the Jam in January also
I love the SZ & all its participants, knowledge & whackyness. It's daily mental infusion to the mind that makes my world a happier place.

But doesn't that make your touted 'reviews' (and especially your RECOMENDATIONS) completely worthless.....even laughable? At least in Fran's case, he sticks with the instrument after pumping it up (plus his recommendation of the Traynor K4 plus his review of it was spot on). Just sayin'.

chas

No Chas it doesn't at all.....my opinions at the time I have these units is just that MY OPINION. Just because I'm a bit more finicky then most lets people hear my honest thoughts .... keeping a KB for a long time is fine if your happy with it.....how many are just laying around in closets never played ? Laughable?....yea, that is when people BS about knowing squat about things & then when asked to demo some of their ideas so we can all learn from them the clam up...now that's something to smile about & say Hmmmmmmmm? I might have to buy you two beers at the Jam to sort all this out Glad to see you awake today and attentive to our latest topics its very stimulating to interact...

carry on..............

PS: I also enjoyed the Tranor K4 after all Fran sold it to me before I dumped it
& as far as keepng gear between us both we have 6 Yes 6 Roland CK100 KB amps 23 years old each




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I wouldn't say that, Chas, my friend, Donny has "sold" quite a few S900 and PSR-3000 for me...I wait till he's on an upswing, and direct potential buyers to SZ.

That's not "worthless"...that's pure value.

Ian

Then it's amazing how much of it you have to try IF you already know what it needs to do and sound like

I can tell from the spec sheet if an MFD doesn't store transposition... or ask here before I buy.

There's something you never quite take into consideration when you 'excuse' your gear lust away by saying it earns money for you...

SO DOES THE GEAR YOU ALREADY HAVE!

In fact, the new gear (which has got to cost you SOMETHING in return fees or shipping, unless Fran is hooking you up at cost) isn't earning a cent more than what you have. It's got to put on a chicken hat and join you out front for a dance number before it can earn you more than your current rig... It actually IS losing you money, if you think about it...

So, if that 40+ years of gigging is of ANY value, I'd put it to use thinning the field of candidate arrangers BEFORE you buy them, not afterwards!

What's this about a "jam in January." Where are you guy's getting together? I'd like to have it at Donnie's house. This way I can try ALL the keyboards in between the pizza and beer.

Where is this jam?

Lucky

The Jam is in Shreveport, LA. We have had two previous ones and they were great fun. We're having this one in January because DNJ and Fran and others in that area can come at that time.
I'll post details in the near future.
You can see photos of the last one on my webpage. www.donmasonmusic.com
DonM