We have put Peter Baartmans' Tyros 3 Demo Show @ Piens MusicPlanet now online ! Go to http://www.piens.com -> extra -> movies

Have Fun !

One of the best demo's of the T3.

Impuls

[This message has been edited by Impuls (edited 11-02-2008).]

Now, THIS is a demo!

Love that SA2 Sax voice...best in the business...Peter is awesome!

Agree, this is a brilliant demo that take us all around the world,
and done by a very skilled and humoristic performer. BRAVO!

Cheers and Happy Playing
GJ

Dank U zeer voor deze schitterende demo!!

Well.... still people around who state "almost no improvement compared to T2" ??

What an amazing team! (Tyros3 & Peter)

Hello Piens,
I'm very impressed with this demo.One of the best demo's of the T3.
Are the voices played using Tyros3 internal voices ?Is this Tyros 3 a world keyboard having oriental voices and styles?

Sunny

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Outstanding demo...

Those SA2 voices are amazing...

So Diki would you ever buy a Tyros 3?

Doesn't work for me. I only get a big question mark on top of the quicktime logo. Anybody has any idea how to solve this? I really want to watch this video as Peter's demos are always the best.

Not right now. I'm still holding out for one of two things... either put a 76 on one, or start talking to the other manufacturers, and standardize the Variation, Fill, In/End and break codes, etc..

It is truly pathetic you can't hook two arrangers together, and have them work as one. It's not rocket science... they all have codes, just different ones

Is anyone at Yamaha listening (c'mon, Steve!)? I got brass in pocket... but it's staying there until they talk to each other.

How about user definable codes? Or like that stuff on your software - select a parameter, send it a code, and it maps it...

At the incremental rate that Yamaha are slowly improving the drums, it's be another decade or more before they rock my world! The guitars and basses are already good to go, and of course the SA stuff is amazing, but for me it isn't yet the complete package.

Anyway, I've still got another 5 1/2 years to go on my G70 for it to match my G1000!

After hearing Peter Baartmans and others playing Tyros 3 live, I have to say I had great difficulty staying awake with that demo. (A totally boring and uninformative performance)
Tyros 3 is on tour so when it comes to your area, go and have a try and listen, and ignore that video.

Bill

Boring? not at all, very humoristic and entertaining demo.
Yes.....This time non-dutchies have to put some effort into a 'foreign' language !

I still wonder why the only/best demo's are created by dutch musicians ..... e.g. Baartmans, Voncken, Smorenburg etc.

Just compare them to the other brand demo's as MediaStation, Roland, Ketron (audya), Korg, most of them (cheap)handycammed on exhibitions with extremely poor video- and audio quality.

Roel,
if you are talking of the audio/video quality, then the credit goes to Yamaha, that organized everything. On the other hand, if you are talking of musical proficiency (chops and good taste), then I have to say that, while I greatly admire and respect Baartmans, Voncken is not in the same league (not even simply talking of chops). And even Baartmans in this demo is following more or less the same script that Martin Harris wrote with the original T3 demo: same sounds, same styles, played in the same order... like he was afraid to be too original or was just told to do so.
On the other hand it's true that Harris is the father of the Tyros 3, so noboby knows the instrument like him, but I think that Baartmans gives his best when he demoes the Clavinovas.

Andrea,

Of course also Martin did an axcellent demo. Personally I don't think Peter used the same styles and order as Martin did.
I do agree about the 'different league'

Sorry to burst your bubbles...Instead of drooling on these fluff demos.....has anyone asked themselves what can "I" do playing with this KB if I buy one & is it worth it if I do? This reminds me of watching a barker at a Flea market with everyone looking at his wares demo & going "WOW! Running up and buying his product, but when they get home they say "hey this isn't like when we saw the guy do it in the demo" ;( buyers remorse aside.......good luck with your units everyone....enjoy


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Well, Donny, according to people who have seen your act, it would just be another midi player for you, so I guess it wouldn't be all that much of an upgrade.

The Tyros3 is selling very well in my area...of course we don't have Roland E-60s to contend with...

I am very impressed with it...much more substantial than the T2...SA2 voices are unmatched by any arranger.

Of course, it's obvious you haven't played one yet.

Reminds me of the blind men and the elephant...

Ian

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@jpapas
Do you have Quicktime Player and Java Runtime installed?
LATER:
just tried to get it myself but the message says something like "heavy traffic, come back later"


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Skype:eddiefromrotherham
www.yamahakeyboards.info



[This message has been edited by eddiefromrotherham (edited 11-03-2008).]

Yamaha Defensive early today Ian eh?....btw...are YOU keeping the T3 or reverting back to the S900? Hmmmmmm? Ian what do you have against people that partly use SMF in their acts like Peter Barrtman ...? I rather see that then a "non singing" so called background instrumentalist playing sleepy elevator music any day...although I can trade 4's with the best of them or play live all night if deemed necessary wouldnt want to bore the audience with repetitive arranger songs all night .....my tool box is full and I will use it all to make a show successful...no need to prove it to you or anyone else. BTW post a few of your live songs I want to learn some tips & tricks if I can stay awake.

have a nice Yamaha day I need a shower now after reading this..




[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 11-03-2008).]

Tear stains, Donny?

Don't worry, they'll wash off.

Ian

BTW...I heard you use SMF for MOST of your act...not that there's anything wrong with that...I just assumed that you actually played more...I guess even I can be wrong.

It's a good thing you can sing well.



[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 11-03-2008).]

Ian you silly boy.....one act doesn't make a show A performers versatility is his power & definitly don't assume anything my friend, most people that dont use all the tools simply CAN'T.....btw Ian come on down to the Louisiana Jam January 18,19,20,21 so we can meet have a brew and maybe even play together "without" Midi files of course Drinks on me!

Can't wait!

Or they don't need to...

Well, that goes for the customers too, different buyers, different leagues, and that's why
I think both types of demo should be respected equally.
Also I think Voncken and Baartman is brilliant players, and both have a nice humoristic sense
who make the demoes even more interesting.
Anyway, still they have'nt convinsed me that I should run and buy a T3, but that's not any of
the two demoes or players to blame .....

Cheers and Happy Playing
GJ

Wait, I must have missed something. You can't criticize Yamaha T3 because you are only going by what you have heard on line and heard others say, yet you CAN criticize DNJ because someone told you he uses midi files, even though you haven't heard or seen him?
You can't have it both ways.
DonM

Yep, I sure can...since when do you make the rules?

I assumed Donny "played" more during his gigs...I was told by several people who saw him perform that he didn't...he himself admits he uses SMF for most of his show...not that it matters, but it does seem to dictate what the arranger will be primarily used for...a SMF playback device.

That's cool...lots of people use them that way.

Ian



[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 11-03-2008).]

I'm sorry to see also this thread transforms into an 'Me The Pro being better than you' ..... as usual.
Because of this never-ending-loops (kept alive by the same member(s) all the time) I start disliking this forum and plan to NOT visit for a while.

Goodbye.

Roel

Sorry clicked twice (:-((

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Cool?? Why use an Arranger keyboard to playback midifiles????
Much cheeper and a lot easier to carry around: Laptop loaded with some software,
i.e. VanBasco and a soundmodule like Ketron SD2.

Just wondering
GJ

My apologies, I should not have stooped to this level. I won't again.
DonM

Ian again dont assume you'll lose every time... I mix it up to whatever the gig calls for & I play many types of gigs .....play live styles all night, smf, or sing to tracks, Dj somtimes too so what......each gig is different, I "NEVER" play anything else but Live styles at all my NH gigs either for that matter...if your just one ring circus that fine, I choose to be a 3 ring greatest show on earth act. If you doubt my talents I invite you to NJ & we'll have a arranger live style throw-down anytime ok? Ian we will pay for your flight here ..but you will have to pay for your return trip...including the tail between your legs........
Have fun in your Yamaha dreamworld, Im out of Piss for today with you.....
I have music business to attend to.....l8tr



[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 11-03-2008).]

Only by YOUR standards. Others would beg to differ.

whats the wonder what are you going to use to play on top of....& to play live styles with ....mix it up baby. You purists have no clue. Enjoy how you do it I say. Bottom libe what does it sound like?

Not likely to go to NJ, but you could send me an MP3 AND a MIDI file of you playing the arranger in style mode...a couple of tunes would be great.

That's if you're not too busy.

Ian

Of course they do...but, my standards are VERY high, and Yamaha meets them admirably...that's why I play one.

Ian

Well, fair enough, I heard one or two who manage to do a mix reasonable good and lively, but
seen far to many that stand pretend playing and act like they're the King of Entertainers!
Everyone can playback midi or mp3 files, a few even manage to sing along. Then I call it Karaoke,
sometimes it can be funny as well, for a little while.

Happy Playing.
GJ

Could someone tell me why every post has to be an argument? Its so childish. I have not posted in a long while because lurking & trying to learn reading in between the fights is a tedious task. Seems even more now with the T3. There are so many knowledgeable people here but you would never know it with all the constant fighting. I wish it would stop so we could learn from each other about arranger keyboards & hpw to work & play them.I'm still enjoying my Tyros 2 & also want to thank all the people who have helped this old man.

Thanks for the java runtime tip. That was probably the problem since now I'm getting the same message as you. Oh well, I guess it'll have to be tomorrow.

Things were actually fine until Donny had a knee jerk reaction and wrote:

Sorry to burst your bubbles...Instead of drooling on these fluff demos.....has anyone asked themselves what can "I" do playing with this KB if I buy one & is it worth it if I do? This reminds me of watching a barker at a Flea market with everyone looking at his wares demo & going "WOW! Running up and buying his product, but when they get home they say "hey this isn't like when we saw the guy do it in the demo" ;( buyers remorse aside.......good luck with your units everyone....enjoy

which was totally unrequested for and also offensive for other forum members because Donny has no right to infer what we ask to ourselves before buying a keyboard.
Demos are just demos and all the manufacturers put out them, but the quality (of the demo, not of the keyboard) is not the same for all and we are perfectly entitled to discuss and analyze it.
But we all know Donny: he is a nice guy, and like UD wrote once, is a dependable friend and has a big heart as well, but most of the times he is carried away by his temper or his passion and does things that he surely later regrets.
If we all would think more before writing something, things would be better on this forum.

Well, if there's anyone who's an expert on 'buyers remorse', it would be Donny. Give the guy a break. He knows what he's talking about!

I think, in the back of my mind (the large, empty part!) that he may have a point, though. For all the talk round here, and talk, and talk, and talk, you would think the point of owning an arranger is so that you can come here and discuss it, praise it, evangelize it, drool over it, try to make other's feel inferior for NOT owning it, just about almost ANYTHING but actually playing it, sharing your music, your soul, your heart.

Half treat it as a status symbol, and the other half treat it as a tool for a job that they don't want to talk about...

Where's the part about playing MUSIC?

Perhaps it's just a lot easier to come here, lay down a few illiterate comments about how YOUR arranger is the only one worth having, all others suck, yo' momma wears army boots, yada yada yada... How can you argue with that? (how can you NOT argue with that, too? )

But making and maybe posting music (maybe SOME of you got it for that reason) opens you up to an actual test. People have to actually LIKE IT. Why risk it, if you can continue to post with no proof of any actual knowledge (apart from specs)? Safer, for some.

Some DO post, though. And, I'm sorry, but I fail to have seen what the fuss is about. No-one walks away with their bowels hanging out. To be honest, little but encouragement and helpful suggestions/criticism is ever offered. Only when someone takes a combative stance and then completely fails to show they knew what they were talking about has had any negative comments come out.

So why so little music...? Perhaps there are more 'pretenders' here than will admit it. And you don't have to be a great musician to recognize bad music when you hear it. Tough to keep 'talking the talk' when you can't... well, you know!

Diki " How Great Thou Art"

As I have said, many times, there are others on this forum with chops greater than mine. It doesn't stop me from posting.

Do you honestly WANT this forum to stay the dumping ground for those with more concerns about whether the sliders on an arranger are in the wrong place (whatever THAT means) than to talk about making music...?

Because that's where it has gone. It's like a sports car forum where nobody DRIVES...

I'm sorry, but there are people round here who talk and talk, and then there are people who talk and PLAY. Without the playing part, what value is there in anyone's opinion..? I don't buy an arranger to drool over the specs. I buy it to make music. If I can't make good music with it, why should anyone listen to me. Or you. Or anyone here?

It's not how great I am.... it's how shy most others are....

Shy about their music. But they SURE aren't shy about how right they are, perpetually. And that facade is easy to maintain, as long as you keep refusing to demonstrate the PRACTICAL application of that opinion...

You see, anyone can hold an opinion around here. But sooner or later, with a deafening babel of voices, all shouting contrary opinion at each other, it gets stale. Without example, what worth is opinion?

Might as well talk politics

Diki awesome & So TRUE post that I have been saying for years......ahhhhh whats the use....nothing will change.

Heaven knows what happened to this thread but while the bickering has gone on, unfortunately PiensMusic in Deinze have just announced that they have been obliged to remove the demo! So SAD.

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Skype:eddiefromrotherham
www.yamahakeyboards.info

PSR9000

Thing is, BBBB... A lot depends on what you want to get out of posting your music. There are some very good players and musicians on this board, and many are willing to put an honest set of ears on what you are doing, and perhaps give you some good advice either about operational aspects of your arranger use, or simply a frank opinion about the music. If it's great, trust us, we don't knock it just because it is not made on our own personal favorite keyboard (at least, not many - you'll know who those are!), if it's not, we'll try to help you make it better....

On the whole, we're pretty supportive, but also you can get some pretty good advice as to how to make things better NEXT time, if it even needs it...

So, to help you progress at the fastest rate, just putting your stuff up and letting the chips fall where they may is NOT necessarily a bad thing. You can't improve in a vacuum, and most here that MIGHT comment negatively do so with respect, and an honest desire to help you improve. You sound like someone that can take advice and criticism if it is offered in the right way...

What have you got to lose?!

Hey gang..when I get to the place to click to play the demo...the next screen is a request for pricing...
What am I doing wrong?

Lee

The only critique that really matters is the one from those who actually hire you and pay your bills and their customers. Learned that along time ago.

Did you not read my post?.....
The demo has been taken off , order of Yamaha.
cheers
Eddie



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Eddie from Rotherham
Skype:eddiefromrotherham
www.yamahakeyboards.info

PSR9000

Why should Yamaha stop a great demo like that?

I wish I knew why

I am waiting for "Piens" , the member who started this thread to reply to us.

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Eddie from Rotherham
Skype:eddiefromrotherham
www.yamahakeyboards.info

PSR9000

Sadly I can't read or speak the language of Nederland,
someone manage to translate?

Quoted from Piens:

Op uitdrukkelijk verzoek van YAMAHA moesten wij de Demo Movie van de Tyros-3 door Peter Baartmans tijdelijk van onze website verwijderen.

Stuur ons een email om u te verwittigen wanneer de demo weer vrij komt.

Intussen nodigen wij u uit om de bewuste movie op DVD te komen bekijken in onze Piens MusicPlanet ShowRooms in Deinze.

Quote end.

Thanks Andrea

So thats what it is about, Yamaha "claims the Yammie rights",
someone (Piens) did post a Yammie property, probably without
ask first.... hmmmmmm. But it is/was a great demo and did not
harm Yamaha in any way, most likely it would catch some new
customers rather than scare any away ..........

Cheers
GJ