I think what you were trying to say was about the 1st BEAT, 2nd BEAT, 3rd BEAT, not BAR, weren't you. AJ?

And Zuki... sorry, old chum, but attitudes like yours almost guarantee that no fix will ever be done. Attitudes like ours aren't meant as a 'bash' to Korg, but a sincere desire to see it FIXED!

After months, no, YEARS of apologists like you constantly denying the problem exists, no matter HOW many Korg users and demo-ers (I've played them in stores) say something is wrong, you step up to the plate like a good little company man, and spew the company line. Well, now that the problem has finally been demonstrated past ANY denial (other than yours), all you have left is to attack the messenger. Karl Rove arranger tactics!

The problem exists, the only current solution is to COMPLETELY change the way you use fills (I'm STILL waiting for any Korg user to say they primarily trigger fills a bar in advance... even YOU won't admit that, will you? ) and you still are in denial...

You and Ian have a lot in common, zuki. No, I take that back. Even Ian WILL admit some problems when faced with evidence.

Now will you quit shooting the messenger, and let us get on with helping to improve the arranger you love. Lord knows, far be it for you to join in and finally HELP....

What I'm trying to prevent are the innocent lurkers who read comments like:

"an embarrassment on stage"
"until fixed will never buy one"
"same as the old Korg arrangers - never change"
"glitches on many"
"catch up to the rest of the arrangers"

I am not a Korg employee and also enjoy other boards. I just think some here have really bashed this product, instead of looking at their own.

Continue to be the forum marverick, Diki. Good luck.

You remember your comments about other arrangers, zuki...?

Were they valid, even if not agreed to by users of the same arranger? Or were you ambushing lurkers yourself?

You see, you found operational aspects of other arrangers that you personally did not like. And posted them, ad nauseam. You can dish it out, but you can't take it?

And this goes FAR beyond personal opinion, here. AJ finally came up with audio examples to amply demonstrate what you and a few others had been tap dancing desperately to deny even existed... And, despite the proof, here comes the soft shoe shuffle again. Trouble is, of course, those poor 'innocent lurkers' have MUCH more than simply your personal testimonial to go on, now. They can actually hear it for themselves.

Whether they chose to live with this, or not, at least now is up to their INFORMED judgment, rather than relying on the evangelizing without the hint of criticism you offer up... Personally, were I lurking, I would put FAR more weight behind those who demonstrate their opinion, than those who remain musically anonymous...

Oh, and by the way, I think I can confidently state that I am probably the forum's greatest critic of his OWN arranger, as well as those used by others. Please don't confuse me with others such as yourself, who only have criticism of OTHER'S arrangers. All I am interested in is them ALL becoming better, and for ALL obvious flaws (such as this one) to be fixed by the manufacturers, rather than getting a 'free pass' from their fanboys.

You don't improve the breed by allowing genetic disorders to continue to propagate...

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You win Diki. I learned a long time ago not to argue with an autocratic A personality that tries to save the world. Try enjoying what we are given instead of constantly wanting more and more and more and......

Go ahead and get the last word in. I'm done with your nonsense.

Diki,

You're right. It's beats, not bars. Corrected.

Thanks for the catch,

AJ

AJ,
What is your personal opinion on why the Korg PA works the way it does on fills?

Am I missing something here? It seems like if this was a bug, it would have been fixed long ago. Do you think Korg has some customers that like it this way (mid-eastern?),,,hence not to change it.

Something does not add up here. Korg is not stupid, and they sell a lot of these.

Thanks,
Lee

leeboy

I can't say for sure, but let me give you something to think about.

* Designing a function such that when you press a button, a light comes on instantly is hard.
* Designing a function such that when you press a button, a light come on after a delay is harder.
* Designing a function such that when you press a button, something else needs to occure BEFORE the light comes on is hardest.

The first (*) is easiest to do and if at the end of the day, people simply want the light turned on, then it won't matter, right? So why bother with the other situations that would cost more on resources and might not even be appriciated (or so it was invisioned)? Just my thoughts.

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AJ,
As long as I have the right OS (Event Driven OS preferred) I can do all those easily.

But, If I read you right you are saying they just didn't spend the time to do it right?

I think there is something more to it...I am asking Korg for an answer.
Lee

... and when you do get the answer/fix, please let me know too.

AJ ...

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