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#247119 - 11/08/08 01:40 PM
Re: Korg Pa series Fill in issue better explained ... with examples.
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That's what I was figuring Nick. It's such a sensitive subject with some though when you bring up the possibility that their own timing may be an issue. Plus those who have been playing Yamaha or Roland for years and used to these models.., may not really even know they have timing problems if these models in some way compensate for it by smoothing out the fills if you come in just a bit ahead of behind the beat.
[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 11-08-2008).]
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#247120 - 11/08/08 02:05 PM
Re: Korg Pa series Fill in issue better explained ... with examples.
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Originally posted by Diki: The option to HAVE to trigger ALL fills in advance is completely unacceptable. REALLY!
Not true..On the Korg you can select whether you want to have the fill trigger on the next measure, OR immediately. I suspect the programmers at Korg realise not everyone has perfect timing when it comes to pushing the fill button, so they give users the choice. Three in fact. excerpt from the manual.....In brackets are my additions "This setting is only available for the Fill 1, 2, 3 Style Elements. Immediate, first measure: The Style Element enters immediately.(and begins from the first measure of the fill pattern.) Immediate, current measure: The Style Element enters immediately, and begins from the current measure. (IE, if the style is at measure 4, the fill pattern starts at measure 4 of the fill pattern, if available.) Next measure, first measure: The Style Element enters at the beginning of the next measure, and begins from the first measure. " As I said I no longer own the PA1x, or PA2x, but I have to give credit where due. And I NEVER had one timing issue with fills, only ones that I either deliberately tried to stuff-up, or where my timing on the button push was off. Dennis PS: I repeat, I have my doubts as to the "genuine" nature of this thread.. AJ has got what I think he intended to do, which was to start huge debate on a "perceived" fault of the Korg's not long before the release of the new Ketron. Clever marketing strategy I would say. [This message has been edited by miden (edited 11-08-2008).]
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#247123 - 11/08/08 09:25 PM
Re: Korg Pa series Fill in issue better explained ... with examples.
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Exactly, AJ... I'm sorry, guys, but like I said, just how many of you routinely trigger their fills in advance..? Personally, I've been playing arrangers for fifteen years or more (hard to remember exactly when!), but I have NEVER played an arranger that didn't trigger fills when you need them. Sometimes you want a fill to go the whole bar, sometimes you want it for only the last three beats, sometimes you want a two beat pick-up, sometimes, just the hint of a pickup and a crash... All of those options out of ONE fill, depending on when you hit it. And, of course, those options are multiplied by how many fills you arranger has. But now, rather than bitch at Korg until the problem is solved as well as all their competitors have done, you want to suggest that, rather than trigger a fill when I want it, I now have to go against 15 years of practice, and think about triggering the fill even BEFORE I want one? ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/rolleyes.gif) Just so it is as smooth as the arranger I already have (and which manufacturer has figured out smooth fills for generations prior to this model?)? That is CRAZY! That is not a MUSICAL solution to the problem. That is an ENGINEER'S solution to the problem. Sure, it works (as long as you are willing to give up 75% of the other ways of using the fill), but it isn't MUSICAL... How easy is it going to be, trying to remember which styles you can safely hit the fill when you want it, and which ones are going to be needed a bar in advance? That's a recipe for disaster, if you use a bunch of styles. Even IF you bother to program the type in, you STILL have to know in advance which ones they are. I truly can't believe I am hearing this insanity! Just get Korg to fix it (how hard can it be when everyone else apparently has it figured?)...
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