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#247169 - 11/13/08 01:11 PM Re: Korg Pa series Fill in issue better explained ... with examples.
adimatis Offline
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eventhough i am not a korg user right now, i can only say GOOD!
and congratulations AJ for getting these people at least admit the problem and promisse to do something about it!
well done!
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#247170 - 11/13/08 01:48 PM Re: Korg Pa series Fill in issue better explained ... with examples.
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Originally posted by Ketron_AJ:
"They are still trying to resolve this issue" is all I can say for now ... at least it had been recognized as a "Fill in/Break Quantize" problem,


Damn... NOW what are all the 'apologists' going to say?

If Korg can acknowledge it, surely that means it's now officially OK for you to mention it..? No more having to break with corporate loyalty, and looking like some kind of independent thinker. It's the official line...

Come on in, the water's lovely (What's the emoticon for 'tongue in cheek'? )
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#247171 - 11/13/08 01:49 PM Re: Korg Pa series Fill in issue better explained ... with examples.
Gunnar Jonny Offline
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Originally posted by Ketron_AJ:
... I think if I can get some of these issues directly to the Engineers (I only know those at Ketron, Korg and Yamaha for now), we can get a lot done as a team ... again it's all about perfecting what's already out there!


Just wondering if AJ's sudden interest in this matter may have something
to do with Ketron have similiar problems with Audya?

Cheers
GJ
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#247172 - 11/13/08 02:24 PM Re: Korg Pa series Fill in issue better explained ... with examples.
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Gunnar Jonny

I choose to bring up issues with ALL major Arrangers so these issues can in time be resolved, that's where my interest is ... for now. The other manufacturer's (including Ketron's) are coming right up.

Thanks,

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#247173 - 11/13/08 03:17 PM Re: Korg Pa series Fill in issue better explained ... with examples.
leeboy Offline
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AJ,
Thank You!

It seems the way to get info to Korg is through the distrubutor, NOT the forums posts.

I would also like to say...I would buy a keyboard from Ketron, (assuming I liked all it did) because of AJ...Here he is actually helping us Korg guys get our keyboard just a little better. That kind of attitude and character is what makes me smile...it's the way I run my small company and customers do notice.

It just goes to show you...he was trying to help by bring this up..not trying to be negative as to get more people over to Ketron! The Audya will sell on it's own strenghs! I may buy one some day.

Thanks again AJ,
Lee
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#247174 - 11/13/08 09:49 PM Re: Korg Pa series Fill in issue better explained ... with examples.
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Registered: 12/22/02
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Hi AJ,
if the glitch that is causing the problem is a "phantom chord"?

then maybe the problem is in the "Trigger Mode"

I used to get phantom chords at the beginning of my argeggiated piano styles on my SD1. Just realized why? It's because I had my style track set to Retrigger instead of to Off, so I would get a phantom chord triggerring, whenerever I changed chords instead of just the single first note.

Latin Bolero Accomp 2 fills is guitar arpeggio. I noticed when hit at the wrong time ,it triggers a phantom chord instead of the single first note.

In record Mode menu " Style Track Control , I altered the Trigger Mode for Accomp 2 to " Off" Appears to eliminate phantom chord.

Whether or not this fixes the actual glitch, I don't know. Also maybe it shouldn't be done because it effects accomp 2 globally on this style???

Anyway, I tested a couple of the other tracks, but I haven't been able to make them come up with the phantom chord .

I'm one of the ones's, that didn't hear the glitch all that easily, not until I muted the rest of the tracks & listened to them individually. Just be interested to know if setting trigger mode to Off on accomp 2 fixes anything.

Lee, btw
By the way it's "not" a Guitar Mode track.

best wishes
Rikki


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ketron_AJ:
[b]For those trying to reproduce the 'glitch'.


[This message has been edited by rikkisbears (edited 11-13-2008).]
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#247175 - 11/14/08 07:50 AM Re: Korg Pa series Fill in issue better explained ... with examples.
leeboy Offline
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Registered: 10/09/04
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Rikki,
Thanks for all the time you have spent on this...looks like you have discovered at least one thing. We have given them input and Personally, I would sure think the programmers/developers already know exactly what's wrong.

Since this in general has been reported for quite a while...you wander just exactly whats going on with it. I suspect it's not just a couple line of code to chnge...or it would have been done before now.

Hopefully we will here something about it soon..may have to wait a while for the fix, bu it will be nice to hear of a plan.

Meanwhile there is plenty of great music to extract from the PA. And some super styles that work fine.

Lee
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#247176 - 11/14/08 08:21 AM Re: Korg Pa series Fill in issue better explained ... with examples.
zuki Offline
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Registered: 09/20/02
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AJ,

Thanks for your persistence and hard work on behalf of us non engineer types here

[This message has been edited by zuki (edited 11-14-2008).]
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#247177 - 11/14/08 08:02 PM Re: Korg Pa series Fill in issue better explained ... with examples.
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
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Hi Lee,
still messing round with it, just got me intrigued. Personaly it doesn't worry me all that much, but if there's a possible fix, then great.
It's been quite a while since I've messed around with either my psr or SD1, but as far as I can rember, neither the ketron or psr has optional trigger modes like the Korg ie immedite, begginning of next bar or begginning at first bar. The Ketron & psr each instrument appears to flow on smoothly from where you hit the fill.
The "Immediate" setting in the Korg in a couple of instances triggered phantom chords in arpeggio tracks as soon as the fill button was pressed, also in some of the fills I checked all the instruments come in at the same time playing a chord, which might be okay for the first beat of a bar , but can sound a bit heavy if you've triggered your fill on the second beat. Maybe this is what is giving the impression of a glitch.

Anyway be interesting to see if they can come up with a solution.

best wishes
Rikki


[QUOTE]Originally posted by leeboy:
[B]Rikki,
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#247178 - 11/15/08 09:25 PM Re: Korg Pa series Fill in issue better explained ... with examples.
leeboy Offline
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Loc: Ocala, FL USA
Rikki,
Thanks again...
Oh by the way...I'm sure the Korg Engineers know EXACTLY what is going on...Now to see what (if) they will resolve it.

And how??

It would make quite a few folks happy, be a nice improvement and result in future sales. IMHO.

Lee
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