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#248039 - 11/12/08 10:33 PM Re: How much TIME do you spend editing styles & sounds on your arranger, or....
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Why do I get all the grief on this forum, but the two of you are constantly sniping each other?

Can't you guys just dial it back for just a TINY while?
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#248040 - 11/12/08 10:58 PM Re: How much TIME do you spend editing styles & sounds on your arranger, or....
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Registered: 03/24/08
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Z E R O

If I wanted to make styles I would have bought a Motif XS8. There are thousands of styles available that I can choose from. I hardly believe me or anyone else can come up with something truly original within a 12 note scale and five parts...

Some people like to tweak voices in synths as well. I used what came with them. I want to create music not styles. I'll buy the styles to back the melody and lyric. Just like I would hire David Foster to arrange a song, or Michael Omatain, Maurice White, whomever. If I could play like a real drummer, bass player, horn player, guitarist, etc I would do it all myself on a real workstation.

I will use the MIDI in a SW sampler though. But I bought the Arranger because of it's arrangements. I worked for years "playing all the parts" The Arranger is much better. Allows me to concentrate on chordal harmony amd Melody and let the "players in the Yamaha do what they do best" to support my songs. There are so many styles available of every type. No need to reinvent the wheel.

That said I do not record with EFX when tracking individual parts, nor may I keep panning and volume the same. Once its in Sonar as a raw audio file I can then mix it up and send MIDI through voices other then the Yamah's insome cases.



[This message has been edited by Kingfrog (edited 11-13-2008).]
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#248041 - 11/13/08 05:16 AM Re: How much TIME do you spend editing styles & sounds on your arranger, or....
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
I sometimes wonder just how popular Yamaha's would be, were it not for the extensive 3rd party software that enable these machines to do much of the stuff that a Roland can do 'in the box'...

It's a darn good job that guys like J. Sørenson and others exist, and do it FOR FREE. Because that's a hell of a lack of internal editing provided by Yamaha themselves, and little in the way of essential software they have provided themselves.

You guys REALLY need to thank him, and send him a Christmas gift or two!


You're so right, Diki, Jorgen and Michael Bedesem deserve a lot of credit and thank yous.

I'm especially grateful to the latter who created a program just for me called "StyleAdjust" which allows me to s-t-r-e-t-c-h the style to any degree I wish...very handy for getting some cool parts for my assembled styles, as well as allowing the style to work in tunes with odd time signatures.

I don't think Roland's style creator will do that, will it?


Yes, I seriously think us Yamaha users would be all the less richer without Jorgen and Michael...I for one, am extremely appreciative of their work and dedication to taking Yamaha arrangers to another level...all at no cost to the user.

Awesome.

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#248042 - 11/13/08 06:44 AM Re: How much TIME do you spend editing styles & sounds on your arranger, or....
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Originally posted by Dnj:


But not to worry Ian will chime in soon...


Not to disappoint you, Donny, I will chime in. Ding!
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#248044 - 11/13/08 09:49 AM Re: How much TIME do you spend editing styles & sounds on your arranger, or....
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bbbb Wheres your email address?

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#248045 - 11/13/08 10:21 AM Re: How much TIME do you spend editing styles & sounds on your arranger, or....
Kingfrog Offline
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Originally posted by ianmcnll:
You're so right, Diki, Jorgen and Michael Bedesem deserve a lot of credit and thank yous.

I'm especially grateful to the latter who created a program just for me called "StyleAdjust" which allows me to s-t-r-e-t-c-h the style to any degree I wish...very handy for getting some cool parts for my assembled styles, as well as allowing the style to work in tunes with odd time signatures.

I don't think Roland's style creator will do that, will it?


Yes, I seriously think us Yamaha users would be all the less richer without Jorgen and Michael...I for one, am extremely appreciative of their work and dedication to taking Yamaha arrangers to another level...all at no cost to the user.

Awesome.

[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 11-13-2008).]


I switched from the PA2x for the Yamaha BECAUSE of the style support and millions of styles out there. paid for and free. I don;t mind paying $.50 for something that would have taken me a few hours to create. My time is worth far more than that.

Some people like to make or alter the tools to build their house.Others would rather spend 100% of their time using tools already available. The results are the same to the end user in that either they like it or they don't. They could not care less how much time or tweaking was invested.
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#248046 - 11/13/08 10:36 AM Re: How much TIME do you spend editing styles & sounds on your arranger, or....
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Originally posted by Kingfrog:
Some people like to make or alter the tools to build their house.


Sometimes a special tool is needed...it is so nice to have one available...especially at no charge.

It's nice to be able to modify/assemble styles to one's own taste, rather than have to accept that of others.

Ian
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#248048 - 11/13/08 01:20 PM Re: How much TIME do you spend editing styles & sounds on your arranger, or....
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Some people like off the rack, some people like bespoke tailoring... Eventually, it all boils down to the fact that you are wearing clothes. How well you want those clothes to fit and look is up to you...

Off the rack can sometimes be perfect. Sometimes not. Then it is up to you if close enough IS close enough. On a gig, you don't have the luxury of replacing that which doesn't fit with something that does by using non-realtime measures, other keyboards, software, whatever. It's at times like these that doing a bit of surgery on the style pays dividends...
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#248049 - 11/13/08 02:05 PM Re: How much TIME do you spend editing styles & sounds on your arranger, or....
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Originally posted by BBBB:
Donny: How do I send u a private email?
Thanks,Brian


You have mail.

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#248051 - 11/15/08 03:42 AM Re: How much TIME do you spend editing styles & sounds on your arranger, or....
Jørgen Sørensen Offline
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Registered: 10/24/99
Posts: 361
Loc: Denmark
Hi Diki

Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
I sometimes wonder just how popular Yamaha's would be, were it not for the extensive 3rd party software that enable these machines to do much of the stuff that a Roland can do 'in the box'...

It's a darn good job that guys like J. Sørenson and others exist, and do it FOR FREE. Because that's a hell of a lack of internal editing provided by Yamaha themselves, and little in the way of essential software they have provided themselves.

You guys REALLY need to thank him, and send him a Christmas gift or two!


Thanks for your most kind words!

At the moment I am struggling updating my software to T3.

Have a nice weekend
Jørgen

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