Correctamundo Gary.....the "Easy 20" does it all night long!

I think you're painting with a pretty broad brush, Donny. To suggest that anyone who doesn't tweak the styles they use will sound "canned" I think think is just wrong.

The overall sound is only part the arranger, because there's so many different ways to use one. I use full keyboard mode, and between the way I chord and play bass lines, I've been told its pretty good stuff. It hardly sounds canned.

There's alot of different ways to use this technology effectively. Those guys who want to tweak or create styles, that's great...but don't suggest those of us who don't are lesser players or performers.




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Bill in Dayton

Guess what...? IT'S ALL CANNED

Whether you make your styles from scratch, edit SMF's, don't do a damn thing but hit the ON button, you are still playing with a machine

This can range from the sublime to the horrible, but it is still canned, whichever way you slice it...

Do yourselves a favor, and just OCCASIONALLY, try playing with real people..! Refresh your soul, energize your passion, reintroduce yourself to TRUE 'interactive' accompaniment

Then go back and work on those sequences!

Bill....by "canned" I mean factory sounding without any custom editing on the part of the player.....your basically letting the manufacturer give your what THEY think is good sounding in their KB and the player accepts it & plays what's there. No matter how you cut it, an arranger is a automatic music machine.... So you sound just like the next guy. In a Blind play test I want to say WOW!!!!!! that sounds awesome......not oh yea, that's a yamaha or korg etc, etc, with that generic typical sound. But Bill if your happy with it so be it....I prefer to "Hot Rod" my sound a bit.
Believe me its not that difficult to Dig in a bit and stir up what the factory gives you...they are not right all the time.

enjoy what you play.


and to answer Diki....I played with a band 25 years so yes I do know what is is to interact....but times have changed & so has my musical direction which I'm very satisfied with being a OMB for the last 17 years. But I still love all kinds of music & anyway it is created by any amount of people is all fine as long as the music is good to my ears.

carry on.

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You'll notice I DIDN'T say abandon anyone's OMB career..

Just, from time to time, dip back into the well of souls, and take a reality check on all this canned nirvana. Open ears, open minds...

Hmmm...I think if you had ten Tyros 2 owner record the same tune, you'd find some variety, for sure...

Diki- I perform with my quartet several times a month and play "acoustically" so my soul and passion are both in working order, lol...

I owned a Korg triton pro x once---I learned very quickly that sequencing is not for me...I couldn't get rid of it fast enough...




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Bill in Dayton

Diki & everyone else here come to the JAM in Louisiana January 18,19,20,21......& Im sure we can play all together and interact ok?

Yes I create my own styles.
Occasionally I would use an onboard style but that is not the reason why I bought an arranger. I got an arranger to make my own.
I typically have around 15-20 user styles that I use on gigs. Now every two or three months, I create a few more styles. And so that my sound does not stay repetitive I also edit my sounds a lot. So I don’t have to buy an arranger every six months.
To me, that is the point of an arranger is to have the ability to create styles and sounds to have your own sound.
It generally takes me around 2-3 hours to create one style.
Understand that I generally do not use all 8 tracks for a style. Typically, I may use 2 or 3 drum/percussion tracks, and 3-4 for other sounds.



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There's going to be a bass player and drummer and guitarist all there? I hope I can make it...

Just kidding (a bit!)

I use factory styles just as they are. Why mess with the pros. There are many aspects of style play that allow one to be original, taken the time to do so. I probably spend as much time on my arrangements than most do on tweeking the original style.

I agree with Diki - canned is canned, no matter how you cut it.

I don't use smf. That's where the next guy coming in will sound the same. How many times can one listen to the same New York, New York smf?