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#248212 - 11/14/08 01:50 PM Re: T2 / Broken button...(Attn: Steve D...)
ianmcnll Offline
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Diki,

I sincerely hope Yamaha sticks with the buttons and normal screen.

We all have our preferences...touch screens are far from my favorite interface.

If they'd just put in some tactile response, I would have no problem with them.

Maybe Yamaha can do that...they are a clever bunch.

Ian
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#248213 - 11/14/08 02:00 PM Re: T2 / Broken button...(Attn: Steve D...)
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All I can say is that that is how I felt until I HAD to get used to it... now it is second nature.

It's not NEARLY the problem you think it will be...
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#248214 - 11/14/08 02:27 PM Re: T2 / Broken button...(Attn: Steve D...)
Gunnar Jonny Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by ianmcnll:
We all have our preferences...touch screens are far from my favorite interface.


That's the same as I thought until try it out when got the G-70.
In fact, it's not bad, and not more difficult than push any of the
buttons placed at each side of the screen on Technics or Ketron.
I only wish they would start use larger screens.

Happy Playing and Screentouching
GJ
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#248215 - 11/14/08 02:34 PM Re: T2 / Broken button...(Attn: Steve D...)
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by Diki:
All I can say is that that is how I felt until I HAD to get used to it... now it is second nature.

It's not NEARLY the problem you think it will be...


I had a G70 here at my home for over a week...I played it a lot...my biggest complaints were the weight and the touch screen.

It's a nice 'board, no doubt, but I still want that tactile response you get from buttons.

As I said earlier, perhaps that can eventually implemented into a touch screen...as well as having some sort of physical delineation...that's missing too.

Thankfully I don't have to use them, and hopefully, I never will....at least in their present state.

Ian
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#248216 - 11/14/08 03:52 PM Re: T2 / Broken button...(Attn: Steve D...)
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But when you eventually do, you'll be joining us in saying, once you get used to it (a week or so doesn't count, Ian!) it becomes second nature...

I play outside in the hot Florida weather, and don't have a problem with sweat (which makes buttons get unreliable) or sliding fingers, whatever. Trust me, were it a problem, you KNOW I'd be bitching loud and clear!
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#248217 - 11/14/08 04:07 PM Re: T2 / Broken button...(Attn: Steve D...)
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by Diki:
But when you eventually do, you'll be joining us in saying, once you get used to it (a week or so doesn't count, Ian!) it becomes second nature...




Trust me, Diki, a whole week on a keyboard is plenty of time for a good evaluation...a few hours in a store wouldn't be...but I spent enough time on the G70 to give it a fair assessment.

If Yamaha goes with a touch screen, it may not affect me for a while, at least as far as my personal keyboard is concerned, as I buy mid line now.

Perhaps when the T4 or T5 are introduced and IF they have a touchscreen, Yamaha will manage to make one with tactile feedback.

Three years is a long time in electronics.

Ian

[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 11-14-2008).]
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#248218 - 11/14/08 04:22 PM Re: T2 / Broken button...(Attn: Steve D...)
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Tactile feedback? I can't think of anything anywhere that has that... you mean raised areas that will change shape depending on function? You are reading too much science fiction...

As to tactile response, the G70 already has it. I know, if I touch a button, it just works. I can feel in my fingers whether I have touched the screen or not. From that point onwards, it's 100% reliable. If I hit it in the right place (hit the wrong button, you still have problems when they are spaced close together, like Variation and fill buttons, etc.) it works. That's all you can ask of ANYTHING.

And yes, it took me longer than a week to get used to it... to the point now that Yamaha's screw me up royally, because I keep hitting the screen to try and make it do something... DOH!
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#248219 - 11/14/08 04:29 PM Re: T2 / Broken button...(Attn: Steve D...)
ianmcnll Offline
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by Diki:
Tactile feedback? I can't think of anything anywhere that has that... you mean raised areas that will change shape depending on function? You are reading too much science fiction...



Nope...just a feeling or sensation of a click when pressed....like a switch does.

Delineated...raised areas in the form of a subtle grid...so you could slide your finger in place.


Yep, I was stabbing at the Yamaha's screen for a bit afterwards...
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