Maybe to you, Chony...they seem pretty useful to everyone else, including me...of course, there's always the few exceptions.

Glad you're happy with your T3.

Ian

You're right Chony...the T3 is the first one with sliders...I stand corrected.

The protocol is for sliders and/or the buttons under the screen.

Ian

I think the sliders on my new T3 are not well implemented. First off, Yamaha should make it so you can assign any of the sliders to anything you want on the Main page. I want to be able to control drum & percussion volumes and still be able to control right voice volumes. As Ian mentions, you must go into the Mixer page to control these. BUT, they are on different pages and you can not go directly to these pages. You must cycle through all 4 pages by repeated button pushing. This is not something easy to do while playing. It's poor.

Yamaha missed the boat on this. Korg has it down much better. I really hope Yamaha looks into improving this feature with an OS update that might make it actually useful for live playing. At the very least, Yamaha should vastly increase the possible options for the "assignable" slider. Right now, for me, the assignable slider is useless. It can only control 10 specific things, and drums or part volumes are not in the 10. If Yamaha can't improve this feature with an OS update, I guess they will want you to wait 3 years, spend $4k and get the next Tyros.

Tom G.

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Yes, slider assignment is superb on Pa.
A great feature.
Ask Yamaha through your distributor to improve the slider functions.
Lee

You guys need to understand something about Yamaha and the TYROS. It is considered and marketed as a HOME/STUDIO keyboard. There is no marketing directed at the Live player.

There is nary a word on the website directed at the Live player or ease of use in such an environment. Yamaha makes these boards for Home users and Studios. They are not as suited for OMB use as the Korg PA2x. Apparently That's not Yamaha's PRIMARY market otherwise they would have had to change a lot of things to make it more live friendly. More like the Motif.

People should stop whining about the Board and get the Korg or maybe even the Roland. Those keyboards are DESIGNED primarily for live use. Especially the KORG with the dual MP3 player cross fading sequencers and numerous other live enhancements. Yamaha had THREE versions to implement the 76 keys everyone wants for live use. Looks like they know their market better or are willing to give up the live market to Korg.(which seems to be having its own issues now)




[This message has been edited by Kingfrog (edited 11-14-2008).]

Chony hates the Tyros 3....I think he bought it for 5 SA2 voices. Why not just use a keyboard one actually likes. Yamaha is not going to make a custom Tyros for live players with "issues" WEll they already have one...Motif X

Yamaha, like the rest, are not going to make anything
unless they gain profit.
Simple rules of business, and nessesary if still stay
alive in any business.
It's not what me and you want who counts, it's what
they think will sell in largest volumes, and after all,
it's the home market who are in majority when sell the
autocomp arranger keyboards.

Happy Playing
GJ

Profit is always the name of the game...some just have different tactics than others.

You're right about the home market...it is the mainstay of any arranger maker...home users are in the majority, although many professionals are clever enough to utilize arrangers in OMB, duos, studio work, song writing...the list goes on.

Ian

That's true, and maybe Yamaha should make a T3Pro to top the arranger
line?
76 keys (SD1 and G-70 keys/keybed are real good), also listen to what
users at several fora wish to have onboard.
Guess the price will rise quite a lot, probably at "Audya level".

I can see T3 are announced to lower price here now, ordinary 33000 N.Kr.
(4853 US$), most shops take 29900 N.Kr. (4397 US$) and now it's even
lower, 26900 N.Kr. (3955 US$)
Second hand T2 now goes between 15000 and 17000 N.Kr. (2200 - 2500 US$)

Hmm, maybe a anti Yammie as me should start look for a item to add?

Happy Playing
GJ

I only play at home for my own entertainment and fun. Guess what? Everything is play is "live". I don't sequence, play midi files, etc. I consider everyone who plays an instrument as playing live. Why would you think someone who plays at home would not want to edit volumes easily? Stop making excuses and listen to what people are saying.

Oh, and by the way. I do own a Korg. A pa1X pro to be precise. That's how come I know it's possible to make really good sliders that work well for ALL musicians.

Tom G.