You should have bought a Motif or Korg PA2x.
The TYROS is definitely not for you or anyone else who has the same needs.

I had the opposite issue with the Korg and bought the Tyros becasue I did not need to tweak as much. However you can insert a r or L part into the final mix and have ALL the EQ available.

Definitely more of a Studio/Home Box than live though, The Korg has LIVE USE all over it. Not so the T3. We record tracks and take the tracks and the RD700 and guitar on gigs and leave the T3 home. Going to pick up a module for right hand solos other than piano. Not worth lugging the T3 around for that.

Some use an arranger to simply accompany their singing... others use it to accompany their PLAYING. If you play a LOT, you sure don't need a lot going on in the accompaniment, Donny...

Exactly Diki! Not everyone buys an arranger to accompany their singing. Some people are players first..., singers second.., and not even singers at all.

Some people enjoy the styles, but also like room to play. I've found some styles to be too busy from every maker out there.

Can't agree diki, what does it matter if you sing or not? Vocals are part of the Full BAND Sound.......I just want to see & hear one man with an arranger make a dance crowd of lets say 300 to 400 pp crowd with just "simple stripped down styles" to almost nothing, vocals or not dance all night.

I'd love to see & hear it without much going on. Listen what I'm saying to you 300 to 400+pp....

Play a LOT? hahahahahah



[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 01-05-2009).]

Quoting Musico:

"EQ :
Yamaha could have made the T3 sound FAR better if every part would have it's own 5-range EQ : the overall EQ is a 5 range, but on a part (left,right1,right2,etc) you only get a 2-range EQ, aka bass/treble. For someone who wants to get the most out of the tyros, this absolutely stands in the way ! This is IMO related to the complaints about the concert grand sound not matching the demo's"
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It's true the individual voices have a treble/bass EQ but it doesn't have to stop there. Three band EQ's are available in the DSP section and you can assign them to as many voices as you wish. They are customise-able for frequency, band width and mono/stereo. Solo voices in the main have a range of less than half the KB so it is arguable whether you'd need any more than 3 bands to cover the audio range - unless I'm completely missing the point somewhere.

Even with piano, 3 may be enough to cover any serious "holes" especially the C3/C5 area.
I use the "ST 3BAND EQ" DSP with the Concert Grand to good effect (even if that piano to me still is not as striking as the live grand) with Variation on and set to provide mid gain of +5. I left other parameters at default settings, but if you want to be more discerning they can be changed and saved as a USER file.
Thought I'd mention it- it might help to consider using the DSP's since the EQ features are of some concern to you

John

[This message has been edited by jwyvern (edited 01-05-2009).]

I can understand your confusion, Donny... Concentrate on the vocal, and let the machine do most of it for you is all very well for acts that put the 'entertainer' front and center. To the point, as you have told us many times, where you go out front and let the machine do EVERYTHING. Now, don't get me wrong, it's ONE way of doing a show.

There are others.

There are some of us quite capable of covering three or more parts of playing, while we sing as well! Hence the need to strip out three parts from the accompaniment. I rarely feel comfortable playing if both my hands are not fully utilized. But that's just me. If I had your voice, maybe I'd work it differently. MAYBE if you could play three or four parts while you sing, YOU might feel differently, too.

We all do different acts, yet somehow, we keep working. What works for you is by no means universal. It is simply ONE way of doing it. Whatever 'it' is

There are so many options with today's TOTL arranger keyboards that you can pretty much do anything you want. However, I must agree with DNJ that if you want to pack a dancefloor, and keep it packed throughout the night, you need to utilize the keyboard's higher level style variations. Some folks call them busy, but most audiences love what they hear. Just having a bass and drums as accompianament might work in a small lounge-lizard setting with no vocals and dancers, but in the larger venues where dancing is the primary point of focus, you're gonna' need more.

Cheers,

Gary

I think we are referring to the fact that stripped out arranger parts are being played by the player, not dropped altogether. It's just like playing with a live band. Somehow, despite not having full horn, string and synth sections, they manage to pack dance-floors also!

Only thing different is that the keyboard player actually PLAYS all those parts! What a concept... a keyboard player, actually PLAYING the parts! How quaint!

That's all we are talking about, not some Philip Glass minimalism

Well said Diki....

diki please get your facts straight you have no idea what your talking about.
Ahhh whats the use?...I shouldn't even get involved in these silly topics anymore.