While I'm flattered at how much you key in on what I post, Kingfrog, I think that if you had read the entire thread, you MIGHT have noticed that it was the post by LindaFus that got me off on this tack...

And if putting twelve components together was all it took to get a Windows system up and running correctly (and staying running) there wouldn't be a Mac user in the world!.

Just for one minute, PRETEND that you had a computer that didn't need ANY work on it, didn't require you to research driver, dll and registry issues, and spend time on the internet investigating component compatibility...

How many more songs could you have made in the same time?

Sure, I COULD spend as much time as you have getting familiar enough to build my own PC. But I've got better things to do.

Like making music. Or gigging. Or working at the studio. Or washing my hair. Or watching TV. Or picking my nose

But thanks for the 'hyperbolic diatribe' bit. Hilarious! Thank God YOU don't suffer from that!

I'm using a laptop...a Toshiba Satellite Pro with Windows XP...my last computer was a Toshiba Satellite which I gave to a friend and which is still giving great service.

Never a problem with either...Toshiba make great laptops, and there are lots of interesting programs available...most of them free...I like free.

I prefer laptops for their portability, and I like using Windows for it's popularity...great for swapping programs.

Ian

Thanks for answering my original question Kingfrog!

Now if Diki would start his own "mine is bigger than yours" post I could stop getting all these notification emails.


Nigel Help how do I stop getting the emails!

IT is my business.
Music is a hobby.
Do not get Vista.
Get XP.
Do not get a Vista machine and hope to go back to XP, some new Vista loaded PC's have HW NOT supported with any XP drivers.

I would go Mac if I didn't have the many business applications that do not run on Mac.

Lee

I will answer your points.

Number 1....Yes if you knew anything about PCs you would know its pretty much as simple as that. 12 parts snapped or screwed in, turn on, load OS and you are off and running.I don't think MAC users knew that. MAC users don;t want to know things like that. You said it yourself!! But yes it's that simple.

Number 2... Maybe one verse or track. Seriously It takes about a couple hours (IF that) to build a computer from scratch. And maybe an hour at most to load the OS. So yeah three hours of "missed music" There goes my chance at a Grammy....

Even less time to repair a single part. Registry issues requiring hours of time are extremely rare and again there is free software to clean up the registry. In 20+ years I have never had to dig into the registry to hunt down a problem. That's Apple scare Myth. Again it shows your total lack of personal blindly accepting "MAC Myth"

Hyperbole is exaggeration. Your statement about assembling an Arranger or a car and equating that to building a PC is definitely hyperbole. I am speaking facts not hyperbole.

The bottom line is you are assuming too much and know little. No one's music will suffer because they took the time to learn about something else. Now if you just don;t want to which I said was true from the start. Mac users don;t want to learn. They want Easy. I could accept that. I AGREE!!

But to claim your "music" would "suffer" is clearly again Hyperbole. What if your MAC goes down. How many days would it take you out of the "mix". In my case hours. That's not hyperbole. That's fact.


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Lee,
I am curious. As an IT guy what specific hardware have you found in Vista PCs that would not allow a rollback to XP? (Rollback meaning a clean format and install)

I'm rolling back a Dell and cannot imagine any hardware native to a Dell requiring Vista Drivers only. Dell offers the PCS both ways. with Upgrades of the OS only down the line.
MS has directions on their Website to do this very thing even if Vista was installed over XP which I would never do. A clean install would be far easier.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/933168



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You're Welcome. I have been dealing with APPLE/PC wars for years, Most musicians use Apple. Back in the day carrying around a Macintosh was far easier than a PC and the leaning curve was far less AND the MAC was better at many tasks. Thats said they still nearly crashed and burned. I believe the Ipod saved them and since they have de-prioritized their hardware they now have captured a whopping 10% of the PC market. Vista is helping as well.

The MAC is a fine machine.I said I would get one myself to try if not for the lack of software I use available. (IF I could repair it with common parts)

You have a strong machine, I installed the Q6660 processor as it was the "sweetspot" at the time. I do not have the 64 bit version of XP although I have the 64 bit version of Sonar. I'm standing pat for now to see what Windows 7 brings,,

Mac Pro is $2300 for a quad-core 2.8 GHz, 2 GB RAM, 320 GB hard drive, Radeon 2600XT, and a SuperDrive.
You have a much more powerful machine and
I have a much more powerful machine with two 320 SATA drives and 4 GB, overclocked for a total of $700. That's a savings of a Korg M3M!!!LOL

Don't fret DIKI. I have run into a lot of them in this world.

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Look, Kingfrog, I'm sorry, but if it stopped with just building the damn PC, you'd have a really good point. But even on this thread there are fulltime IT people. What possible reason do they have to exist if, once you had snapped your twelve components together, that was it...?

The hyperbole, or exaggeration on this thread if you will, I'm afraid comes from those that want (all evidence to the contrary) to try and persuade us that using a PC is EASY, problem-free, and takes no more time than penning a simple ditty...

I don't know ANY Mac IT people. How many IT PC people do you know? Oh, and just for the record, a component fails on a Mac, it is easy to replace, as well... (they aren't set in epoxy, you know!).

But once again, I'm flattered by all the attention... there are several others on this thread articulating exactly the same thing as me. But you don't seem to have any inclination to address THEM (or even notice that mine is not a lone opinion). What's up, Froggy? No-one else wants to play your game?

IT people deal primarily with NETWORKS.....There are not many MAC IT people because BUSINESSES don't generally use MACs. It's that simple.

Perhaps the question should be WHY business never caught on to APPLE since they both were available and Apple was supposed to be so much better!!

SEAMASTER said "I am a PC" ...I AM?!!!No need to reply.
Musicman22 claimed years of issues with PCS..no need to refute his personal experience.

But No one claimed they may as well build their cars and arrangers equate that to putting a PC together as a real hindrance to their music creating time!! LOL. Sometimes the most exxagerated claims have to be addressed. Your's feel into that category.

You never answered the OP's question. No one did except me. Does 32but SW run on 64 bit machines.....Simple. The thread immediatly got into Visa Sucks....MAC is great and I got sucked in. Vista does suck and MAC is great for 9% of the computer market right now.


One of the IT people he would said get a MAC
if software was available. I said as much myself but added the demand for non proprietary components and the ability to get it up and running if one of those components fail myself to avoid days of repair and inflated prices for such.


Yes A PC IS indeed easy to use, build and for the most part problem free. NewEgg.com and many other website like it are huge and started by selling components to "roll your own".

Windows Issues have been exaggerated mostly by MAC users. No virus on MAC etc...Who is going to wirte code for 9% of users when they can spend their time affecting 90%? Legit Software companies don;t even seek out the MAC market!!!!

People are free to buy APPLE! 90% of the market apparently does not feel Windows is terrible enough to do so and apparently they also must know the benefits have outweighed the failings since the PC was invented!!!

I guess I'm using the IT designation wrongly... I simply mean people that work fulltime on solving PC issues, whether network, or OS related, software related, all the frustrating stuff that DOES send people screaming into the Apple camp (and DOESN'T send Apple users screaming into the PC camp! ).

Let's put it this way. There isn't ONE person on this thread claiming that problems with their Mac made them switch to a PC, where they have had a problem-free existence ever since. But there ARE some on this thread (and on others, in the past, too) that have done that from the PC.

There are MANY things I like to do other than make music. Sailing (but I wouldn't want to build a boat!), cooking (I don't grow my own food), playing poker (not well enough to make a living though )... but building my own computer, and troubleshooting it afterwards is not one of those. Could I save a bit of money? Sure. Do I want to invest the time? Not bloody likely!

You accuse me of spouting Mac Myths. But you have spouted the biggest whopper on this thread. That it is EASY to assemble, troubleshoot, and operate a PC trouble-free. If it were, there wouldn't be a Geek Squad in every Best Buy in the USA...