Then there are the majority who use pre recorded back up whether sequenced into a live board or a CD and play along on 88 weighted keys and or guitar and vocals. That seems to be the majority around here. Thats what the wife does even though we have the T3. She wants 88 weighted, nothng ele would suffice for her.

Depnding on the gig she will take the 55lb RD700 (if Im along, LOL) or the lighter 25 lb Privia 320 rather then the T3. I think it's partly learning a new way of doing things and the technology. Its easy to punch a track on a home produced CD using the T3 leaving out guitar or paino parts and play along with two hands on 88 even spliting of LH Bass or the guitar.



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Who cares how anyone does it?... just have fun doing it, make people happy & use what ever you want because in the end it's always What it sounds like that counts No way around that when making music.

squeak_D (and others interested).

Could you please send me (or post here) a link of Song category and an example of such a song we can use to create styles that would 'hook' the younger generation to Arrangers?

We'd like to start working on such styles with an Arranger FOR TODAY'S GENERATION!!

E.G.


STYLE : ARTIST : SONG EXAMPLE

REGGAE - Bob Marly - Stirr it up
SOCA - ARROW - Feeling Hot Hot Hot

AJ...., simply TURN ON THE RADIO man! Everything you need to hear is there. Just go to any station that plays the HITS of today.... Hell.., just go to Yahoo radio and pick a station

Great move too AJ.... Glad to see someone's going to attempt a grab for the younger generation.



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Any one who wants to listen, please check tunes on my website , all created by arranger keyboard ... My SD1 is a tool .. nothing more nothing less...I had lyrics and wanted to put some ideas together..

I think I used my SD creatively ...


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http://www.esnips.com/web/Songs

I'm so glad I'm old! I got to hear all the greats perform live, was able to shake some of their hands, and see them perform.

I'm now seeing how the younger generation is stacking up. And in many instances I'm impressed. Just two American Idol tryouts televised and there is some real talent out there this year. A significant number of the tryouts have incredible vocal talent, and they all tend to select songs that many of us are currently performing at various locations throughout the nation.

Squeak, I listen to the radio two hours or more every day while traveling to and from jobs. To be perfectly honest, I'm NOT hearing what you seem to be extolling . And, I'm fairly confident the folks in the R&D departments of Yamaha, Roland, Korg, Ketron and many others are hearing the same things I'm hearing. And, they tend to reflect this in their selection and quantity of their onboard style categories and selection.

There are a huge number of radio stations in the Baltimore/Washington/Philadelphia/Richmond metro areas, most of which are competing for the same markets. Only a tiny fraction of them play what you refer to as modern music for the younger generation. Hip-Hop and Rap are nearly non-existent, there's a fair amount of rock, and lots of country. My relatives on the west coast and down south tell me it's the same where they are. If this is the case, I suspect arranger keyboard manufacturers are merely echoing the current demands of the general public and main-stream music industry trends.

JMO,

Gary

"squeak_D (and others interested).

Could you please send me (or post here) a link of Song category and an example of such a song we can use to create styles that would 'hook' the younger generation to Arrangers?"


AJ.. I think the sale of an arranger keyboard, boils down to the people who work in the music store to demonstrate how an arranger can be used to create a song.

Most people just don't get it... Besides, with rock band & guitar hero , the songs that most youth hear the most are on these programs... Hotel California - The Joker (s.miller). Bon Jovi and many other bands from the 70's & 80's .. I Don't hear Beatles songs coming from guitar hero .. too bad.

Sales don't lie... check out Billboard's Hot 100.

They might be playing Guitar Hero to Aerosmith, or whatever, but they are buying hiphop and alternative. Look at the Top 20. Just how many artists there do you recognize the names of?

I don't know why everyone finds it so hard to put themselves in the mind of a 20 year old! Imagine the scenario that you are a kid in the sixties. Your parents HATE the Beatles. There's an keyboard out there that is an arranger, but it ONLY has bigband styles and ballroom. You go 'why isn't there an arranger with Beatles styles on it?' and they go:



What would YOU say?

You're trying to tell me that in the Baltimore/Philly area, there's little hiphop and modern rap and R&B on the radio?! I guess if you immediately hit 'Next' on the dial, it might SEEM that way....

The thing that frustrates me is that Yamaha, Roland, Korg, they ALL have teams of beat programmers making VERY contemporary loops (just pretend they are styles!) and arps for their WS division. Why not put the same teams onto creating fresh beats and styles for arrangers AS WELL...

It's not as if the arranger divisions don't KNOW there's a market for these styles (call them loops!)... WS's outsell arrangers what, 100-1?

Right on Diki..., Heck it has already been done TWICE already. Proof enough that a modern arranger keyboard can be produced with UP TO DATE styles can be seen in the Yamaha DJX.., and (remember this blast from the past) Roand EG-101...

Diki's absolutely right Gary..., where you live Balt/Philly/DC area is FREAKIN HUGE for modern radio stations. When I went out there several years back..., I was in electronica bliss with all those stations that played this music.

I'm not some 20 year old kid either. Far from that. I do however enjoy some modern music (don't care for that trash gangsta rap with B this B that, MF this, ect). There are some really good R&B/Hip Hop artists out there that are very talented. I will use the word talented because if you think it's easy as pie to create a modern radio ready track.., then you're sorely mistaken.

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