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#253093 - 01/21/09 05:24 AM
Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Well I', back in snow country. I sure had a great time at the jam. I must thank Don Mason and his lovely wife Susan. They are the greatest hosts in the world! They showed us an awesome time. It was a thrill for me to meet all of the people there and jam with them. I think Donny, Don and I could have played together for the rest of the week. I sure would have loved it. If you weren't there you missed something very special. I made some really good friends. I know I'll be running up the road to see Donny Pesce on a regular basis, and I'll have to go back to Shreveport to see Don at Ernest's. It was a great time and I thank you all. Joe ------------------ Songman55 Joe Ayala
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#253094 - 01/21/09 08:20 AM
Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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And finally, for everyone that enjoyed the wonderful hospitality and food at the Shreveport Jam, there are four words to keep in mind "South Beach--Phase One." Yep, time to shed those pounds. ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif) Sure wish I could have been there. Next year for sure. Gary
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#253096 - 01/21/09 12:20 PM
Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Registered: 12/06/99
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Loc: Muskegon, MI
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I took Diki's suggestion and played a C6,9 chord on my G70. It played it just fine but the difference between that and a C6 were barely noticable by my trained ear. I also tried the Cmin(maj7)what an awful sounding chord. In the performance of a tune there wouldn't be one person in a thousand that would notice the difference between a C6 and a C6,9. Diki's original skepticism was about more normal chords like diminished, minor 7ths, 6ths, augmenteds, and such. When the report came out that the normal chords worked he had to change it. Including 6/9 chords and minor major 7ths is a real leap.
We've heard reports by some of our members who have been playing arrangers for years that the Audya sets the bar much higher than the current batch of arrangers.
If this is the greatest sounding arranger ever, a cut above the rest, I'm not going to pass it up just because it won't play a few of the more obscure chords that the audience wouldn't notice anywhy. What they will notice is the realism and great sound.
The question is moot.
Tom
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#253097 - 01/21/09 12:51 PM
Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Loc: NW Florida
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Moot to you... Sorry, old boy, but you've never played a tune with a chromatic descending line over a minor chord? Cm - Cm(maj7) - Cm7 - Cm6? Too weird? ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/tongue.gif) And if YOU can't hear the difference between a C6 and a C6,9, that's fortunately not MY problem. I can. Many here can. And the chord is widely used. But what is amusing is first I am criticized for not having played the thing before I talk about loop issues, small sampler sizes, things like that, and here you are, as far removed from a try as me, and you are definitively stating that it is good enough... ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/biggrin.gif) I guess that for YOU, trying it first is not needed for an opinion. It's just ME that shouldn't have one, eh? ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/tongue.gif) [This message has been edited by Diki (edited 01-21-2009).]
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#253098 - 01/21/09 01:09 PM
Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Loc: NW Florida
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And no, if you had bothered to read my posts more than just cursorily, you would have seen that I was NEVER in doubt about the basic chords. Yes, it has GOT to have maj, min, dim, and aug or it won't work AT ALL. But all the extensions? My point all along has been that Yamaha's Mega voice technology, and Korg's Guitar modes are capable of VERY realistic guitar parts without forgoing the ability to play more complex chords. And all that is needed to make them even better is simply better samples (which may come out in future models, whereupon you can set these styles to use them). They are editable (should you want a slightly different picking or strumming pattern), and you can easily change the guitar sound for a different flavor to the same style. Loops CANNOT do this. All they are is all they are. Initially VERY impressive, but unless you are the type that NEVER changes a ROM style, NEVER needs more styles than the ROM provides, and NEVER tries to create your own styles (Ketron have already acknowledged how difficult this is to do), I can imagine them tiring on you quite quickly. If I were restricted to ONLY the ROM styles that came with my G70, I would be in trouble. ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/tongue.gif) What percentage of styles that YOU use are ROM? Unaltered? Unedited..? Now imagine that, unless you are willing to suffer a VERY noticeable drop in sound quality, that's all you could use... Not a very appetizing prospect, is it..? This is why I have been saying all along that the commitment to a constant stream of new 'live loop' styles from Ketron is going to be essential. Of course, in these troubled economic times, what guarantee would we have that Ketron even survive, let alone toss us this bone with (as I have explained) little expectation of much return on their investment? But go ahead and buy one... maybe from an owner, I will FINALLY get an unambiguous answer to my query... ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/tongue.gif) How many different chord types and EXTENSIONS have been recorded, per style?
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