Have improvements or upgrades been made recently?

Good question man! Sure has been quiet around here lately regarding the MS. Wonder if Dom's getting hit from the slipping economy (I can only imagine what production costs are like for a small keyboard company)

maybe they Are merging with GEM/KETRON & Roland ?

Geeeez..., and you thought the Audya was expensive! Could you imagine the cost on a pro arranger with that merger???????

Drastic measures are being taken to save many companies....mergers can be a way out in this economy.....& yes price is a key consideration.....the days of expensive keyboards are over if they want to stay afloat.....prices will have to be slashed considerably. Look whats happening to the Auto industry.....more people are buying used or fixing old...simple philosophy.
I dont think music manufacturers are on the Bailout list All those Italian KB companies kmow each other very well.

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And you wonder why I keep my Roland's for ever...

I just don't see the point in incremental upgrades. Wait for something revolutionary, buy it, then wait for the NEXT revolutionary thing. It's usually about 8-10 years...

Interesting Donny..., when you take into consideration the dent software apps have put into keyboard sales you'd think they'd be coming down on the prices.... to compete and keep buyers. Yet Yamaha's T3 is nearly 4 grand.., then Yamaha announces they're actually jacking their prices...

Pro arrangers just keep going up..., and so do the pro workstations.., funny too because the budget workstations and budget arrangers are killing in sales. Boards like the M50, Juno-G, MO series, S900/700/550, Korg PA (mid/budget line).., are doing quite well... Not sure how Roland's going to fair with the GW-8/Prelude though.

"revolutionary" That's what everyone hopes the Audya & MS will be how far can revolutionary really go before its considered by your audiences not even playing anymore but more DJ'ing? haven't we lost enough credibility already with all this high tech stuff?

I think Domenik is doing just fine..

http://www.lionstracs.com/store/

Sorry, I'm on the wrong post.

Joe

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Joe Ayala

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So its Audya or Mediastation...for around the same price?.....which do you choose?

I've seen and heard the Audya. I KNOW it's good. Not so the MS.
DonM

There is new things coming up i think since i've been approached
by Zmago Ostersjek to do some work on the Station but i rejected.
I dont really have time right now with Audya coming out.
A friend of mine, Serbian took the offer and he might shed some
light on it, if i find something out i'll post.

And DNJ, even though i do work for Ketron stuff
i think i still like the Station, its more flexible,
especially using VSTs and all knds of things,
i've played it few times.

Swings and round a bouts

At the same prices, if you’re prepared to put some work in to make the arranger do, and be able to use whatever you want, (Rather then what the manufacture says you should do, and what software sounds etc, they allow you to use) then the Mediastation wins hands down.

If however you happy to get something OOTB and do a few tweaks to modify what the manufacture gives you, (As with all hardware boards) then the Audya leaves the Mediastation for dead.

When I bought my Wersi as I was already using VSTs and other sample formats with my computer set-up, and to go back to a hardware after this, was so limiting in sound and capability that it was a none starter, whereas the Wersi (Which cost me less then a Tyros 2) allowed everything to be done within the keyboard, that I could do with my computer set-up, thus allowing me to give the finger to the manufacture.

Regards

Bill

Waiting with bated breath to actually hear some of this technical superiority...

Sadly, both the most technically advanced arrangers available now have failed to impress me with much music made on it, relying so much as they do on the skill of the PLAYER to actually design the content, rather than someone who is a specialist at that (and letting the PLAYER be exactly what he is best at).

I am still waiting to hear some of this technical superiority get converted to MUSICAL superiority. I'm afraid that's the only thing that impresses me. And I'm pretty sure no-one in the general public reads the manuals...

Sadly, one of the posts on this thread, to me, pinpoints the problem... Dom is using someone from SERBIA to do the styles . Yamaha, Roland, and Korg use UK and US musicians (amongst others) to make their styles. To be honest, a few Serbian things I've heard on the MS are amongst the better things I've heard. But how big is the Serbian market compared to the UK and USA?

Without a large number of top quality styles in these genres, it's an uphill task to crack England and the US... (or Scandinavia, or Australia, or India, or....).

An arranger's content is just as important to sales as the arps and loops in a WS. Just imagine a MotifXS with NO loops and arps... You HAVE to make them all yourself. Not so good, now, is it?

CONTENT, CONTENT, CONTENT...

LIONSTRACS MEDIASTATION is really improving.

Here is all the time something new.

And here is what I made in styles

VST ADDICTIVE DRUMS


That can be really real drums in future because all midi tracks are made in tottaly different way.

You can see some things on their page:


WEB PAGE: ADDICTIVE DRUMS


BR. Magica ALFA

No Dikki, the guy from Serbia is doing only some
Sample packages, and why would that worry you, or
cuz of the name of the country...LOL...trust me there
is some musicians that would put all of in the corner,
yes i am talking about western music.
The styles would be and are done by many musicians,
i might even take part of it.

If Mediastation ran Yamaha styles like Wersi now can...I'd pop for one. Styles problem solved. (Has to allow for Mega voices)

BECAUSE the voices available would be superb with VSTi.

With the HW boards today we are very limited as to sound quality and choices. Especially in the orchestral stuff I like.

Bill (Abacus( how in the world did you get a Wesrsi ???model??? for the same as a Tyros 2? The ones I looked at were $8,000 +.
Lee

I actually enjoyed playing the Mediastation also, not so much for stage work to heavy & big for that but a great studio piece with so many features & options.

Was there a John Deere on idle next to the MS? What was that noise?



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Hi Lee

You buy a used one (Mine is the Abacus which cost less then a T2) with an older OS, then purchase the latest OS, and if required computer hardware, (Inside is a standard PC so all parts can be got off the shelf) and you have an identical model to a brand new instrument. (The upgrades although adding to the overall price, still comes to little more then a T2)

Regards

Bill

[QUOTE]Originally posted by trident:
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Was there a John Deere on idle next to the MS? What was that noise?

No, I have small room 3 PC and Mediastation is also PC. So you can hear totally 4 JD.
But most powerful is MS. I mean about horses not dB. In other hand is not so loud. It is normal PC nothing else. So if you can have laptop or PC everywhere so here is same situation.


And Diki I know this guy from Serbia and I can tell you that you are really, really wrong.

He is doing music for many good musicians all over the world.

So as we are respecting you please do not forget to respect other.

BR. Magica Alfa

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So where are these new styles? And demos?

Proof of the pudding, and all that...

Bill,
I see. One of the features I would want is the ability to play Yamaha styles...without that I wouldn't even be interested.
How much add on is that feature?
Lee

Hi Lee

The cost of the OAA varies:

1. Although rare you do occasionally come across a used model with the latest OS and OAA included.

2. When updating to the latest OS you can get a better deal if you buy it complete with the OAA. (All singing all dancing styles are not my cup of tea, so I didn’t bother with the OAA)

3. Shop around if just adding the OAA and ignore the prices on the web, as you can get better deals by playing one dealer against another. (Include international dealers as it’s only the activation code you need with OAS 7 (Earlier versions cannot have the OAA installed)

Hope this helps

Bill