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#255446 - 02/01/09 02:36 PM
How Audya handles live guitar track
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So, here's the answer:
Along with all the instruments wave data, there are recorded hundreds of guitar riffs and chords in all tonalities, but... only Maj and Min chords are present, with some exceptions. So, for the most part of guitar loops you got only Maj and Min versions. How do they create other chords? Simply... for chords that have note added (lik 6, 7, 9...) they simply add a MIDI note in the correct position along with the chord. For example if you play a C7, you get the CMaj guitar along with a midi guitar that plays the A# note. If you play CMin7, the same... you get the Min chord + the MIDI A# note. But for other chords that don't have additions, like C4, Cdim, CAug for example, all the loop is played by MIDI and you can clearly hear the live guitar absence in some styles where the live guitar is predominant. as I told before, I found a few exceptions (bossa and samba riffs) where playing a 7th chord brings up a different sample instead of adding the midi note. Other samples, notably the rock ones have only one version played regardless of Maj or Min chords.
[This message has been edited by mrdave (edited 02-01-2009).]
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#255449 - 02/01/09 09:14 PM
Re: How Audya handles live guitar track
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Hi MRDave, interesting the way they've done it. Do the drums still work the same way as on the SD1+ ie 1 track forof Live Drums( which I think may be based on sliced audio loops???) & midi drums on the other drum track to give variety. [QUOTE]Originally posted by mrdave: [B] ------------------ best wishes Rikki http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/PA800_StyleMaking/
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#255450 - 02/01/09 10:44 PM
Re: How Audya handles live guitar track
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Damn...! I was SO hoping to be proved a complete idiot ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/tongue.gif) (or at least, several others here were! ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/biggrin.gif) ) Seriously, even though the system works kind of how I expected, I AM disappointed that they couldn't even record a simple open fifth pattern, and a diminished, which would allow sus4, open9, etc. without a complete drop out of the audio. I guess now, the audio loop depends very much on how well the MIDI guitar samples are matched to the audio ones. I could still work, don't get me wrong. But it's a lot harder to not hear those dropouts, I suppose... At least it explains those simplistic guitar only demos. That IS all that there is ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/eek.gif) But I honestly am not happy. I really was hoping that this WAS more complex than this, and worked the way we all HOPED it would work (with audio loops at least for MOST of the main chord types). I would be MUCH happier were I proved completely wrong about the whole thing. Damn... ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/rolleyes.gif)
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#255454 - 02/02/09 12:37 PM
Re: How Audya handles live guitar track
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No problem, Tom... it's just that this forum is global, and I tend to think that way. Once a product is released ANYWHERE, I feel it is on us as 'good consumers' to make sure the hype matches the reality. Waiting until it eventually gets to the US shores (however long THAT might take) is doing our European and elsewhere brothers a disservice... And I'm sorry, but I still don't see well informed skepticism as a 'rip'. When an arranger company claims to have solved a problem that so far, no software VSTi (or the like) company has managed to successfully pull off (low latency live interactive guitar parts from audio loops - don't get me wrong, they are good, but IMO still not good enough for live), and I have experience using some of these, I feel questioning and inquiring about the feature to be important. It doesn't mean I don't WANT the feature to work. Just that, when no-one else has succeeded, belief comes a little harder. Like I said, I honestly DO wish that I had been completely wrong... ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/frown.gif)
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