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#255808 - 02/05/09 09:57 PM
Re: NEW Roland V Piano demo.....coming in March WOW!!
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14242
Loc: NW Florida
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Hadn't seen the weight and price specs where I looked. Congrats on tracking them down... (was that $CAN?)
All I want to know is, where did this epidemic of myaesthenia gravis first start? The Rhodes, at 130 lbs, is nearly double the weight of the V-Piano, makes but ONE sound (whereas the V-Piano seems capable of a broad range of piano tones), but we ALL happily lugged it around, and many still do, just for that one sound.
Once again, the assumption that most keyboard players CAN'T lug something that big around, when we have history to show us that, when the sound is THAT good, everyone WILL...
Yep, that price is steep, but as I said, it won't be long before it 'trickles down', and even before that, if I can get a few projects together that would pay for it (or even better, persuade my studio's owner to buy one!), I'll be playing it as soon as I can...
I don't mind 'one trick ponies' as long as that ONE trick is a showstopper. I've expressed admiration for the Nord Electro for a long time, which does but four, but does them better than anything else... Looking at the plethora of them in the hands of top pros on TV and records, seems that a 'jack of all trades but master of none' isn't quite what most are shooting for. And I'd be willing to bet that a large percentage of stage pianos with loads of other sounds in them rarely get any use other than piano. Maybe some Rhodes, but many pianists want just a piano. Nothing more, but definitely nothing less. This seems to have less compromise than anything else out there at the moment.
No doubt, when the CP70 came out, there were clavinet players going 'but it's TOO HEAVY... wah, wah, wah!'. That didn't stop a boatload of them selling. What's a clavinet got to do with a piano? Not much. What's an arranger player got to do with a piano? Not much either, from the sound of it!
Of course I wouldn't use something like this for an OMB gig. But yes, studio work, cocktail piano, first call band gigs, touring... I'd use one in a flash! Can't wait to try one...
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#255810 - 02/06/09 01:16 AM
Re: NEW Roland V Piano demo.....coming in March WOW!!
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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If you must have it Diki, I'm sure the weight or price won't stop you....and I'm sure you be able to convince yourself that you were very happy with it. What strikes me odd, is that in a day when digital pianos can be both lightweight (25 lbs) and powerful AND inexpensive, here comes an instrument that weighs almost twice as much as your G70 and costs an arm and a leg (and a pulled groin muscle. ) I'm sure YOU will find use for it(not the pulled groin muscle...the piano ). Just because performers lugged around heavy one sound instruments in the past, like the CP70, or Fender Rhodes, doesn't really justify doing it now...we are supposed to moving ahead, not backwards...if that were the case we'd all be using huge PC's and there would be no laptops. What happened to the "sheer perfection" G70 piano? Why dump your hard earned dough into a very expensive instrument that will replace one that you have told me already wows the people you record for...they even prefer it over a Steinway? Seems like GAS to me, but we can all get it, I've been in it's grasp a few times, but thankfully, sensibility prevailed. The V-Piano had better be road worthy...we're not talking about lumps like the CP70 and Rhodes that would crush a careless an unsuspecting roadie, and still work . Buy if you must, and if you trust your lust , but, I know I'd think long and hard about something like this, and I am a piano player first and an arranger player second, and wouldn't mind spending the money for a great sound and feel....but, I'd at least like to be able to move it myself, and not see it limited to only a few uses..and it would have to be a bit more practical than an instrument with one sound and no expansion possibilities. Don't expect anyone to talk you out of GAS...there are several chronic sufferers here on SZ that would surely want company, if only to justify their own lust with the addition of another victim, but at least consider all the possibilities carefully before you replace that great "sheer perfection" all purpose Honda station wagon with a Hummer H1. Ian
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#255812 - 02/06/09 03:54 AM
Re: NEW Roland V Piano demo.....coming in March WOW!!
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by cgiles: I resemble that remark.
chas
PS: So does Russ . Ha Ha, Chas, the thing that’s so bad about gear lust is that even though we know it’s bad, we just can’t help ourselves. We always manage to convince ourselves that if only we can plump up the cash for this "one keyboard", or "one module" or "one piano", that life will feel complete and that we will reach the next Zen plain of true contentment. But, just like an addictive drug, the old gear lust comes a-wondering back into our consciousness. It’s not something we're born with.....we acquire it. A fool and his money...are soon partying.
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#255814 - 02/06/09 06:19 AM
Re: NEW Roland V Piano demo.....coming in March WOW!!
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Registered: 10/27/03
Posts: 2417
Loc: CA
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"An 84 pound, $6000 digital piano with ONE sound (piano) in a downturn economy?"
"Yeah...that's a recipe for success." Excuse me? V-Piano: The Piano Redefined Specs: Keyboard Section Keyboard 88 keys PHA III (Progressive Hammer Action III) Ivory feel Keyboard with Escapement Sound Generator Section (V-Piano) Maximum number of tone-producing virtual strings 264-string (varies according to the sound generator load) Tones Preset: "24 Tones", User: 100 Tones Setups 100 V-Piano editing parameters Unison Tune, Hammer Hardness, Cross Resonance, Tone Color, String Resonance, Damper Resonance, Soundboard Resonance, Key off resonance, Damping Time, Damping Noise Level, and more Effects Ambiance: 12 types, 4-band Digital Equalizer Sound Generator Section (GM2: playable via SMF and MIDI) Parts 16 Parts Maximum Polyphony 128 voices Tones "256 Tones" Sequencer Section Playable File Format Standard MIDI File: format-0/1, Audio File: WAV, MP3 Recording Format Standard MIDI File: format-0 Number of Recording Tracks 1 track (realtime recording) Note Capacity approx. 30,000 notes Control Play/Stop, Backward, Forward, Tempo Change, Transpose, Center Cancel (only for audio playback) Tempo Quarter note = 10 to 500, Audio Playback Speed: 75 to 125% Resolution 120 ticks per quarter note Metronome Beat: 2/2, 0/4, 2/4, 3/4, 4/4, 5/4, 6/4, 7/4, 3/8, 6/8, 9/8, 12/8, Volume: 11 levels Song Length Max 998 measures Others Display 240 x 64 dots graphic LCD (with backlit) Controllers Volume knob, Ambience knob Pedal Damper (half-pedal recognition), Soft (half-pedal recognition, function assignable), Sostenuto (function assignable) Internal Memory 4M bytes Other Functions Panel Lock, V-Link Connectors Output A (L/MONO, R standard), Output A (L, R XLR), Output B (L/MONO, R standard), Output B (L, R XLR), Input(L/MONO, R standard), Piano Pedal, Damper Pedal, Control Pedal (FC1, FC2), MIDI (IN, OUT, THRU), USB (MIDI, Memory, For Update), Digital Audio Out (Coaxial), Headphones, AC Inlet Power Supply AC 100V, AC 117V, AC 230V or AC 240V(50/60Hz), AC 220V (60Hz) Power Consumption 27W Accessories Owner's manual, CD-ROM (Editor), Keyboard Stand: KS-V8, Piano Pedal, USB Cable, Power Cord Options Stereo Keyboard Amplifier: KC-880, Stereo Headphones: RH-300, Monitor Headphones: RH-A30, Damper Pedal: DP-10, Expression Pedal: EV-5, EV-7, Footswitch: BOSS FS-5U, Dual Footswitch: BOSS FS-6 Size and Weight Width 1,411 mm 55-9/16 inches Depth 530 mm 20-7/8 inches Height 166 mm 6-9/16 inches Weight 38.2 kg 84 lbs. 4 oz. *The specifications are subject to change without notice.
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#255816 - 02/06/09 06:42 AM
Re: NEW Roland V Piano demo.....coming in March WOW!!
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Registered: 10/08/00
Posts: 4715
Loc: West Virginia
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Geez oh man! This thing's gonna be freakin hot for sure. This new V-Piano CLEARLY shows that NO COMPANY who makes real acoustic pianos (or their di-hard supporters) can say that a company who makes the real thing can do the digital emulation best. Roland just blew that assumption into space! DEBUNKED is the better word for it.
Seriously...., there is NOTHING, NADA, ZIP, in Yamaha's line up that can compete with this V-Piano. So the hell what if this thing had just ONE piano sound (which it doesn't by the way). SHOW ME ONE FREAKIN DIGITAL PIANO OUT THERE THAT PRODUCES AND TWEEKS THE SOUND IN THE WAY THE V-PIANO DOES.., and offers this amount of user control over the sound..., and show me any other digital out there that has taken this approach to digtially reproducing the piano! Yamaha in all their years of making the real thing have produced nothing like the V-Piano.., at this point they gotta play catch up.., aint no sugarcoating it or whatever because at this point it's now "playing catch up" for all the other makers out there.
Ian.., all do respect man, but the biggest thing that you cannot ignore is that not only did Roland just blow the digital piano market up with this unit.., but they did this by creating a digital that does it's thing WITHOUT velocity switching! Hell.., even the mighty Kurzweil still relies on velocity switching.., and they got some darn nice piano samples.
Weight to be an issue...., for some maybe, but this thing will be on stages and studios everywhere. People will still lug this thing around to gigs just because of the sound that comes out of it and what you can do with it. I'm willing to bet that one of our local well known jazz musicians will be picking one of these things up for sure.
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