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#260141 - 03/21/09 07:34 PM Re: What are the Longest Running Keyboard/Organs
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Originally posted by Seamaster:
I've got 8 to 10 years out of every Roland 'board I've bought.


That's a good answer, son, and considering that you no longer have the option of a new TOTL Roland arranger, it's probably the only one.

Ian
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#260142 - 03/21/09 07:56 PM Re: What are the Longest Running Keyboard/Organs
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Originally posted by ianmcnll:
and considering that you no longer have the option of a new TOTL Roland arranger, it's probably the only one.
Ian


All rumor & hersay...there is no proof of that at all.

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#260143 - 03/21/09 08:14 PM Re: What are the Longest Running Keyboard/Organs
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Originally posted by Dnj:
All rumor & hersay...there is no proof of that at all.



Perhaps it is Donny, but even Diki has expressed little hope for a new TOTL arranger.

Let's hope they do make one...competition always keeps everyone else on their toes.

Ian

[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 03-21-2009).]
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#260144 - 03/22/09 12:33 AM Re: What are the Longest Running Keyboard/Organs
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Little hope for an immediate one...

I can wait. I don't really WANT a 'me too' Yamaha copy. I don't honestly see Roland with anything groundbreaking on the WS front, either... nice integration with the DAW side, I guess, but nothing really earth shattering as a performance instrument. The new Brass ARX looks promising as a new technology, Maybe a trickle down V-Piano technology. But currently, there's not much that other Roland's do that I really think are new technology that we could use. And those two I mentioned, it is unlikely we'll see them in an arranger for quite a while...

Usually (in fact, SA technology is the first I can think of) most groundbreaking synth and sampling sound functions make an appearance in their WS cousins several years earlier than they make it to arrangers.

From what has happened to the initial promise of the Audya, it STILL seems we are going to have to wait for a more powerful CPU in a closed arranger before the promise of streaming multiple audio as a source for several of the arranger's tracks is a reality. That's probably the next big frontier. The trick, of course, will be that probably only the Big3 have the resources to actually make the huge library for us that we will need.

Plus there's always the chance that someone making an 'open' keyboard makes an arranger module for it that actually does what most of us need And THEN do VSTi's and live loops, too! Ease of use is still what drives this market, NOT the ultimate in flexibility, as tempting to the wonky geek in all of us it is

So, to cap it off, no pressing need for anything immediate. I doubt Roland COULD field something that will wow the jaded players. I think I'm going to wait until the Audya type system comes to full fruition, and happily gig my G70 until then. In the meantime, you can listen to the GW-8 and Prelude demos to see a good reason why Roland doesn't need to roll out a TOTL G-series for a while...
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#260145 - 03/22/09 03:54 AM Re: What are the Longest Running Keyboard/Organs
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Originally posted by Diki:
In the meantime, you can listen to the GW-8 and Prelude demos to see a good reason why Roland doesn't need to roll out a TOTL G-series for a while...


I don't know, Diki, I played a GW-8L(the Latin version) some time ago at Long & McQuade Music in Halifax...if this is a speaker-less Prelude, I'd be inclined to say a second hand E-50 would be a much better deal, even though it is 4 years the former's senior.

T'is a good thing you are happy with your G-70...I feel the same way about my S900, and if Yamaha never produced a new S-series, I would be quite content to remain with the status quo.

Then again, Yamaha may slip me a new S-series mickey in the future and I may succumb to it's charms, so I best not be held too accountable for that last statement.

Ian
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#260146 - 03/22/09 04:10 AM Re: What are the Longest Running Keyboard/Organs
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Sit tight just wait and see what happens .....meanwhile just use what you have & additionally practice more to become a BETTER Player meanwhile which is more important then any new arranger KB.

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#260147 - 03/22/09 05:19 AM Re: What are the Longest Running Keyboard/Organs
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Originally posted by Seamaster:
Wersi have been saying since as long ago as the original DMS organs of the early eighties that their instruments would never be obsolete, could always be upgraded, etc etc. And most of those ended their lives in landfill.


True to their promise
http://www.4shared.com/file/94303310/3586ef15/Infoblatt_CD_OAS.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/94303317/abe27ab6/Infoblatt_DX_OAS.html
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#260148 - 03/22/09 06:34 AM Re: What are the Longest Running Keyboard/Organs
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by Dnj:
Sit tight just wait and see what happens .....meanwhile just use what you have & additionally practice more to become a BETTER Player meanwhile which is more important then any new arranger KB.


That goes without saying, Donny, and additionally, one should try and focus on learning how to use all the great features on their arrangers that let them personalize their music.

I think you made a wise choice getting your E-50, as opposed to a Prelude(or GW-8)...sometimes a "new" arranger isn't better, and there are great second hand deals to be found.

Ian
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#260149 - 03/22/09 06:37 AM Re: What are the Longest Running Keyboard/Organs
ianmcnll Offline
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Can this stuff be found in English, Bill?

Very interesting to see that Wersi is continually upgrading even the older instruments.

No landfill for these babies.

Ian
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#260150 - 03/22/09 10:22 AM Re: What are the Longest Running Keyboard/Organs
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That's not an "upgrade". It's a whole new organ shoe-horned into your old cabinet. With the old one shoe-horned into landfill. QED.

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