Tried the L1 model 1 for a few minutes.

I used a Korg Pa800 they had at the store

First I had it set to the default tone match selector.
I also had one bass bin only.

I remember trying to test the model 2 last year on the fly. Not being familiar with the tone match mixer, I would have needed more time with it to really dial in the best settings.

The Model 1 last night sounded descent. I didnt recall what previous users had set the trim to or the preset i previous posts.

From 10 feet away it sounded ok, from 18 feet away it sounded better.

different than a conventional PA with the arranger going through it but has its strengths.

We have 2 conventional PA's and was considering this for differnt venus and possible acoustic guitar solo gigs.

I wish there were some basic reverbs on the model 1.

What it comes down to is 1900 or 2900 i believe for the model 2 with the mixer.

I'd love toget a deal on a mint used one.

Id also like to go backwith the Tyros 2 and try it.

The Korg pa was nice and punchy. The yammie does have a better usable style section. As I played the pa800 for the 3rd time. I did like it more than the last 2 times.

Any advice on the bose is greatly appreciated!!!

Ty StevphenM and Zuki for korg info



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I use two of them in stereo, Micky, and I've never been happier with such a great sound and awesome coverage.

Yes, that is expensive, but I don't need monitors and these things don't crowd you off the stage.

Plus, it's a one time buy, not like an arranger where you change up every several years or so.

I didn't care for the single system and the mono sound...stereo effects and stereo patches are thinner and kind of "pinched" sounding.

Ian

Mikey,

Save money and get the Podium 10s - or 4 or them Run the 800 in stereo. You could also buy (2) 800s for the same price

Wow Zuki your comparing the Podium 10's to the Bose Pas...they must really be great ?

Mikey-

C'mon down to Dayton and you can hear a T2 through a Bose L1. I love it. We can also go to a few Reds games, lol..

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Hold off. Bose has a smaller more affordable Compact L1 coming out. $999

Looks good on paper. May get a couple for the Home Sound after trying them in the store.


http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop...mpact/index.jsp

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The word on this unit from the Bose Forums, which are great, is that it is very similar when "UP CLOSE" to the classic and standard L1 models. However, if you need a mid to longer throw, more bass or just more volume, then this compact unit is NOT for you. It is geared best toward the coffee house, acoustic act, spoken word, etc.

That's not written in stone, its still worth a listen with your gear to make the most informed call possible.

I think, and I could be wrong, this product is meant to directly match up against the Fishman solo amp, which has been discussed on this forum before.

Even the Techs at Fishman told me their product would not be suitable for high end arranger players, so...this one may not suitable either for some situations...

I A/B-ed the Fishman and the Bose before I bought my L1 and wasn't even close...

The unit should be in stores in mid May...

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Notice they demo it with an Acoustic Guitar not an Arranger KB pushing a full band sound thru it... & after they suck you in .......how long before the Copmpact 2 comes out? btw I see Bose chose a Yamaha KB in their pictures ...
Well it's cheap enough $999.99 + $499.99 for the tone match mixer = $1500.00 .....I'll have to try one when they come out somewhere just to see how it performs with my KB. Could be a nice MONO small venue sound system.

BTW what is the Max total wattage output?




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Now that's what I call decadence!

I will almost certainly buy an L1 system sooner or later. I love the sound and the packaging. Not sure I can justify a pair, however, much as I'd like to.

Yeah My wife just picked up a small piano bar that has a Clavinova already in a small bar. The LT1 is too much for the place this thing would be great for piano/vocals We have a couple on order for the store I'm going to run a Tyros through one ands see how they compare to the Mod II. We already have the Tone Match so it seems like a no brainer for smaller more intimate rooms I expect it will sound as good as the Mod II albeit for a much smaller setting. Can't beat the portability..

No matter the cost quality pays for itself and lasts a long time..

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Bose Corporation is the "master" of marketing hype in my opinion. They don't give you a comprehensive or a "detailed" listing of the specs on their products, realizing if they did that people would shun them like the plague i.e., even more so than most people tend to do now, i.e., those who can distinguish the hype from the facts concerning Bose products in other words.

Most Audiophiles that I've known or have been acquainted with seem to agree that for the most part Bose is overpriced, under-performing, and not based on realistic acoustical physics or on sound audio science. For instance, the Bose L1 Array has all "small" Drivers, "NO" Tweeters, and/or NO "larger" Drivers to complement the measly small drivers on it. They do give you a Sub, true, but only if you're willing to pay handsomely for one , and if you want to run in Stereo you've now just doubled the already ridiculous price (for L1 Array and a Sub or - two) just to have that option and privilege of running in Stereo.

I just burn in anger when I see a company like Bose making money hand over fist that is propelled, in my opinion, on extremely devious marketing hype - to people who don't know the difference (because Bose keeps the essential detailed specifications on their products secret) and apparently people don't take the time to research the matter for themselves to find out the real skinny, or they simply don't care and get sucked into Bose's devious, over-hyped, overpriced scheme and "apparently" are more than willing to depart from their hard earned cash on those same inferior product(s). My real beef is that the consumer does NOT know what he or she is "really" getting with Bose products because of Bose's "dubious" cover-up and secrecy. Whenever a Company doesn't provide "detailed" specifications on the products they sell it usually means they have something to "hide" right? Why else would they 'choose' to hide essential and pertinent information from public view? Obviously they have something to hide, in my humble opinion, and are not wanting that hidden information to be leaked out to the public. Because if the "truth" got out people would then realize Bose products are NOT worth the price they are asking for them and are typically inferior (spec wise and therefore in many cases quality wise) to the competition. And more people than you can shake a stick at have succumbed to their devious marketing practices and continue to willingly shell out the big bucks for these same inferior, overpriced Bose products. And in so doing Bose continues to smile (deviously) all the way to the bank.

You'll say: "BUT THEY SOUND SOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD"!?!? Pay any company $3,200.00 + tax for an upscale portable stereo speaker solution and you can rest assured they'll be able to make them sound good or acceptable to the average listener. The problem is you could pay 1/3 that much, in many cases, and get 'much' better sound in the process. And then pocket the rest..

LET THE FLAME THROWING ARROWS COMMENCE! C'mon!! I'm a man, I can take it.

All the best,
Mike

So I take it you're not buying a Bose system, Mike?

Best money I ever wasted ...especially when I get that terrific coverage that no conventional PA system provides.

Hype?

Nah, I don't think so....no more hype than any other company that wants to sell their products.

Isn't it only hype when the product comes up short of the company claims?

You know...something like the Audya.

I can understand your skepticism, and I too felt the same way about the Bose at one time, but once I played my keyboard through two of these systems in stereo, the price really didn't matter much any more...and, as I said earlier...a great sound system need only be purchased once, and a system of this quality will last many many years.

My Yamaha MS60S speakers cost quite a bit back in the day, but I've got nearly 20 years service out of them without one problem and they still sound as good as the day I got them.

I like to say I invest in equipment, rather than just buy it....I believe the Bose was an excellent investment.

Ian

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I didn't like the Bose in mono, Mikey...the Yamaha S900 that I use sounded thin and pinched through one system, especially the stereo pianos and stereo effects on the guitars, both in the accompaniment and RH.

The coverage with one system was excellent, however, and perhaps a different type of arranger, such as the PA-800, will work just fine in mono.

The Bose is not for every type of gig...it is only for when you want room filling sound...I bought mine for doing concerts, where each person in the audience should hear at the same level.

I have the conventional system for when I want the sound to project a certain distance and drop off, such as I need for restaurant work...where people can sit at a distance in relation to how much they want to listen to the music.

Good luck.

Ian

Hi Mike (keybplayer)

ok, listen, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and this whole thing has been rehashed so much on this forum, I'm (really!) not going to add to it.

I wasn't sure (by the end of your post) if you were referring to Bose's Home/Consumer products or the Professional L1 systems. (Perhaps your tarnishing them all with the same brush?)

Anyway, if you're referring directly to the L1 and accessories, you should honestly go to the Bose forums - and for the heck of it, re-post your original post there, and see what happens.

Now I say this, because what I think (and hope) will happen is the "At-Bose" technical people will ask you further about why you think the way you do, and will also try to answer ANY question you have with the utmost sincerity and respect and knowledge. The other forum members will hopefully be polite enough to chime in with their views.

The Bose forums really are an incredible place to be, I've learned so much - wasn't hard *heh* - and the Bose staffers who frequent the boards CONSTANTLY, are some of THE most inspirational and knowledgeable people/Musicians I've met either "virtually" or in real life.

Seriously Mike, you're "a man" so honestly go to the Bose forums and have it out with them - into the Lion's den so to speak.

I guarantee you will be pleasantly surprised.

LOL what you dont't realize is most of those who purchase the Bose systems already have better than average systems.....They don;t have Tapco they have Mackie and TOTL JBL and Yamaha Club Speakers, They use proven power amps. They are used to hearing good sound through expensive systems......Then they choose the Bose with a good reference. I wouldn't say they have had the "wool pulled over their eyes" Bose has a very generous money back offer.....No one has a factory 90 day no questions asked return policy to my knowledge. They give everyone ample time to decided whether or not the "hype" is real.

They don;t post specs because they know people buy numbers......(They see 30Hz on an 8" PA Speaker and believe it) They would rather people USE the gear and return it if they don;t like it.

No one is being fooled......

Audiophiles don't count. They buy numbers, specs AND prices. They buy Tidal Speakers for $300K a pair..... to listen to music that was mixed on $3000 speakers..LOL.They buy Monster Cables then cannot tell the difference in a blind test between Moster cables and coat hangers.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/audiophiles-cant-tell-the-difference-between-monster-cable-and/

I've been in this business for over 50 years and I have had experience with most of the brands that are usually discussed on these forums. I think that the Bose L1 system lives up to the hype. They worked well in various venues, from private parties in residential living rooms to filling a football stadium and everything in between. I don’t need stereo; I think that concept is over hyped. I don’t particularly care for the set up method, but the system makes me sound good, so it’s worth the trade-off to me. I mentioned the fact in past posts that the Bose customer service is as good as it gets. When I did have a problem, I called Bose and spoke directly with a Bose tech that walked me through trouble shooting and if the problem was not resolved to my satisfaction, I had a new system before my next gig. That assurance is worth the extra money to me. The Bose techs participate in the user forums and that has helped me in several situations, e.g. I had to play in a school gym with horrid acoustics, I got a couple of tips from the forum that actually worked.
Ciao,
Jerry

Hi Kingfrog

Don’t know what Audiophiles you mix with, but over here we go for faithful to the original, using our ears to directly compare products with real instruments and sounds. (Specs are only used to see if the size is right, and the product has the features required)

As to cables then I and all that concentrate on the music totally agree with you, that providing you have a good quality set of cables, (They fit the sockets properly, have corrosion resistant connectors and have good quality core and screen ) you will be fine. (Buying over the top cables is just a waste of money)

BTW over here Monster cables are sold in discount stores and if you give the salesperson a little nudge, they will normally throw in a set for free with your audio/home cinema purchase, so you might as well use them.

As to studio mixing speakers, then you will find all the top studios have a selection from small right up to large, (Budget to TOTL) so that they can balance the sound to suit all.

Regards

Bill

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>>>...if they did that people would shun them like the plague i.e., even more so than most people tend to do now...>>>

>>>...more people than you can shake a stick at have succumbed to their devious marketing practices and continue to willingly shell out the big bucks...>>>>

So...which is it? Do 'people' shun Bose products? Or do they 'succumb?'

The only Bose product I own is a wave radio. I use it for small gigs where I need backup for singing one or two songs with no mike. Sets up in 20 seconds and gets the job done every time.

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It is asolutely amazing to learn that the thousands of musicians that have bought Bose are stupid or gullable,or both. That icludes me and my tinned eared customers that rave about it.

I think it's more a hobby then a search for the Holy Grail of sonic bliss. IF not why does one person choose the $300K Tidal Speakers over say the...Wilson X2s for $125K Can you understand the maddness? LOL

I believe the technology surpassed biology long ago . It has become like a Covette club. People discussion of minutiae is far more important then the..... actual driving driving experience.......
Audiophiles listen to their sound systems......not the music. Having spent some time on the AVS Forums when I was initially shopping for a flat screen years ago I was amazed by those who watched their TVs and not the program material LOL

Of course Bose is "low rent" in those circles, I would not expect otherwise.


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You cannot "succumb" to a product you get to use free for 90 days while deciding if you should "shun" it....

In order for people ot decide to keep a mono $3000 sound system after using it I would venture a guess they really like it and the feedback from their clients are equally positive......or one would have to be total idiot and glutton for punishment to keep it anyway.

I've been reading, but avoiding jumping in here because I don't like whizzing contests, but I gotta throw in 2 cents. My name is Steve and I'm one of those who are stupid and gullible.

About 3 weeks ago Mikey came to one of my gigs and heard the Bose L1. Mikey had always mentioned that the Bose didn't do anything for him and for his outdoor summer concerts on Cape Cod that the PAS probably would not work. I respect his opinion on that and said we use what works best for us. I did not try to sell him on Bose, not in the least bit. After the gig Mikey commented, that what her heard from the Bose L1 blew him away. The gig was in a small to medium size ballroom with 60 to 75 in attendance.

That's right Steve, I was taken by surprise. The First time I heard the Bose, I believe it wasnt set right. Although I'd really like to hear one in where I play to see if it works for me. I'm gonna vist GC to listen to a Model 2 next.

Thanks,
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Just curious, but I was wondering why the Bose's so often are accused of being poorly set up, as a reason (basically, the ONLY reason ) for why anyone would dislike them...?

Surely something that is so preset, and so independent of room acoustics (so everyone tells us) should come out of the box sounding as good as it gets... Leave your arranger flat, plug into the PAS, and off you go.

Any particular reason why so many (these reports of dislike of the sound have been refuted by the 'bad setup' excuse since the beginning) manage to screw up what ought to be a great OOTB sound in the first place?

Well, I certainly never said it was perfect out of the box. It is CRITICAL to set the gain-staging properly. There are detailed step-by-step instructions how to do this. You only have to do it once and it isn't difficult, but it must be done.
Also, most people over-equalize. They can't seem to get that old "V" e.q. curve out of their heads.
The L1 is simple to set up and use, but you must follow the directions the first time you set it up.
Then you can screw it up by boosting the bass "a little" on the keyboard, then boosting it again on the mixer, if you use one, then maybe again on the remote. A little e.q. goes a long way and most of it is unnecessary with the Bose. I basically run it flat and tweak just a little for extreme rooms or situations.
The first time I saw one in person was at a Guitar Center in Memphis. The guy played a guitar through it and said ain't that wonderful, but it wasn't. I plugged in a WAV recording of myself, and it blew the guy away. He couldn't say enough how great it sounded. It sounded terrible. It had no bottom what-so-ever. The salesman lost all credibility with me at that point, because either he was deaf or trying to con me.
I left and drove home and ordered one with 90-day return. I plugged it in, set it up and have never looked back.
Evidently the guy at the store failed to properly plug in the bass module. They cable must be inserted, then turned clockwise until it locks. Otherwise you only hear mids and highs.
Also, it is NOT necessary to boost the high end. Doing so makes you not hear the mids enough. Bose has done the work. All we have to do is not screw it up.
One of the great things is that if you are having any sort of problem, just contact them on the website, or pick up the phone and call. They WILL take care of you. Of course they SHOULD, but good customer service is really hard to find these days.
DonM

Gonna try ir with my sennheiser E935 and my Takamine guitar next week

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If the darn things are perfect OOTB, why bother with any EQ at all? Seems that the only thing it does is screw up a perfectly good basic sound...

Because for $3000 People will want EQ "just because" especially to compensate for hearing loss that comes with age...LOL