https://www.yousendit.com/download/dVlwd0VNNDI1aWFGa1E9PQ

Here is a demo played on the MS by Dennis..

Compare it to the Yamaha and Korg guitars..I think this VST is the most realistic..

Nice job Dennis..

https://www.yousendit.com/download/dVlwd0VNNDI1aWFGa1E9PQ

Dennis great job.......very realistic guitar.....thanks for sharing. Hope to hear more soon.

VERY realistic - so realistic it simulated a very BAD guitar player who couldn't seem to fret a string without buzzing it.

... and not only a bad player but it also simulated a very cheap nylon string guitar.

What particular VSTi is being used?

Pure guitar, Spanish nylon..


Chuck, do I understand correctly..you are knocking this demo?

If so i can't wait to hear your guitar demo..

Ha ha...good one, Chuck.

Seriously, this is a very well played demo, and the tune, by Buffy Sainte Marie, happens to be one of my favorites.

I still prefer the SA Concert Guitar on my Yamaha PSR-S900, finding it warmer sounding and even more realistic than this offering...in fact, the SA Concert Guitar was one of the main reasons (another was the superb SA Saxophone) why I use the S900.

Thank you for sharing your considerable talent, Dennis, and thanks for the link, Fran...the Mediastation sounds wonderful.

Ian

that was beautifully played dennis. It is a nice demo . However i am surprised that this is a VST guitar as it doesnt sound as good as My Korg PA1X classical guitars/spanish guitars with or without the RX features and again just in my ears it does not rival the yamaha SA classical guitar. Thats not to say that it does not sound good. clearly it does.

Hi Fran.

Tks for sharing this very good demo by Dennis.
I still prefer the SA Concert Guitar from Yamaha but I must admit that this guitar sounds very very realistic.
5th and 6th strings are excellent.
Tks once more
Regards from Brazil
Chico

has anyone heard any arranger better then this.....

http://www.yamahapkowner.com/?page_id=523

Thank you all for the comments.

I passed this demo on to Fran and he asked if he could post it, so I took a guess that he would also link it here.

Just to clarify...this is a "stock" sound on the Media Station. Whats known as a Giga Sound. No tweaking, nothing. Just as it is when its loaded from the library.

I have some VST's as well but short term, Dom would prefer demos of the "stock" items on the MS rather than VST instruments or effects. And I fully understand and agree with this.

Some VST demos later (and by the way the True Pianos is superb).

It is also a one pass take with no added effects using one of the default Linux OS audio editors, MHWaveEdit. A simple stereo wave recorder.

There are about 9 of these sound libraries, with hundreds and hundreds of sounds and all available with the purchase of the Media Station. They in the format that the Linux Sampler uses.

I will be doing more demos, as well as demos of a style using an audio file (even an MP3 can be used for this) as the basis. But these will be later on and are for Dom to do with as he pleases. If he wants to link here that is fine with me, if not, that is fine with me too .

Another MS user, Magica Alpha, already has had links posted to excellent demos of styles using audio as the base.

These have been linked on other threads here I believe. But readers would need to look as I have no idea which thread they would be in.

Dennis

My personal opinion on Tyros 3

No matter who plays it (Professional or Amateur) nobody seems to be able to alter the sound from the factory settings.

All other boards can sound totally different depending who plays them, (Who wants to sound like everybody else) but the T3 doesn’t seem to have this capability. (At least I haven’t heard a demo that sounds different from factory yet)

Technical capabilities are brilliant, but not at the expense of personalization.

I have never been a great fan of Yamaha styles, (Mega voices or not) as I find for my tastes, Roland styles are far superior and real sounding.

Regards

Bill

When comparing the accuracy of sounds, compare with the real instrument, not an imitation from another board/software package, as comparison to a real instrument is the only way to tell how accurate a sound is.

As to the sound itself I found it very pleasant to listen to, and look forward to hearing more.

Regards

Bill

I realize you've gone off topic a tad, Bull, but I have to say that I have never been a great fan of Roland styles either, although some of the Latin styles are pretty good, as are the contemporary fusion types.

Yamaha styles (with their exceptionally realistic Mega Voices) are far more my cup of tea.

The Korg styles seem to be somewhere between the Yamaha and Roland, judging from those I have heard on line.

Of course, styles, like sounds and even the minutiae of different manufacturer's operating systems, are intensely subjective and personal.

The only styles I actually found lifeless were those on the Wersi instruments.

Ian

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Thanks for the explanation Miden .

I disagree.

If you aren't getting individuality out of your Tyros3, you really aren't trying very hard.

You should join a user group and pick up some tips on how to use the brilliant capabilities of the instrument.

All arrangers are capable of sounding the same when the player does not spend the time individualizing his/her instrument.

There is lots of info on the Yamaha forums if you need help.


Ian

OK, if you added some sounds here and there like

1) someone's creaking wooden stool,
2) a shoe tapping on carpet sometimes, and 3) some clothes rustling, I would say that

it was a real guitar, recorded on someone's home, in a cassete player.

I was amazed!

Dennis thank you for the explanation of the voices you used with the MS. Good luck on the ongoing improvements Domenic is making week by week. it's exciting to know that the unit you have keeping changing & improving all the time.

I liked the buzzing string effect...not what one would want in their recording, but it really added to the realism.

Ian

Fran - you are VERY preceptive ... yes I was knocking the demo. Dennis hit the keys skillfully to create the notes and timing of a beautiful song. The problem was the resulting sounds that came out of the MS. Let's just say if I paid for a ticket to a classical guitar concert, and the guitarist sounded that bad, he (or she) would likely end up with a pile of assorted vegetables around him (or her), and deservedly so. That's my opinion. If you disagree, just ask a real classical guitarist their opinion of that lame collection of MS sounds.

"Perceptive"

Sounded great to me.

The string buzzing is a personal thing though. I loved it as it frees you from that fake perfect world you get from keyboard sounds. But while listening to it my wife who is a Guitar player commented on it and said it sounded awful.

Just goes to show I guess.

Regards.
James.

Hey folks guess what..., like it or not the guitar sound on EVERY keyboard out there regardless of who the maker is "IS NOT" designed to fool anyone but the keyboard player! Sure some of these guitar patches on keyboards today are quite good and offer a lot of realism with all the velocity switching.., but it's really designed to fool YOU the keyboard player.

That's my problem I've had with some of these more recent guitar patches on keyboards. I've taken heat just for pointing out problems in some guitar patches where specific nuances don't sound right at times, and in some cases DON'T BELONG there or do not happen on the REAL instrument in that way.

Here's a good example.., if you play a standard D, G, A, chord progession on a keyboard with these modern guitar patches.., and playing it NOTE FOR NOTE as it's done on a guitar with 6 STRINGS and not a 2 fisted approach (as many keyboardists often do). If you hear ANY string noise between those chord changes.., well guess what WROOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNGGGGG!!!!! Playing this chord progression on an acoustic guitar in the STANDARD playing position.., you will move from one chord to the next WITHOUT moving your hand up and down the guitar neck. All those chords can be played from the standard position WITHOUT moving your hand. If your keyboard is adding string noise between these chord changes on those basic chords it's WRONG!

My problem that I'v always brought up is that keyboard makers need to be careful in how they add these nuances because (as we've CLEARLY seen and heard here before from a member in the past).., when a keyboardist hears the REAL instrument.., they may think the REAL instrument is the FAKE because it sounds nothing like their keyboard (and the keyboard maker can't possibly get it wrong..., right?).

As much as I like Roland..., when I first saw and heard Ed Diaz's demo on the Roland site showcasing Roland's guitar mode.., it just left a sour taste in my mouth. The concept of the guitar mode was awesome.., but the guitar patch was just TERRIBLE because on many notes when he arp'ed a lick it sounded like a very inexperienced player was on the guitar who didn't know how to hold down a string all the way or the players guitar had frets pulling up out of place all over the neck as fret buzzing was very present.

If you're not a guitar player and you're playing one of these more modern heavily velocity switched guitar patches..., you just may think WOW.., I can hear the string vibrating on the frets.., or how cool is this I can hear the players fingers sliding up and down the neck between chord changes, ect. The reality folks is IN THE REAL world guitarists don't want fret buzzing..., and many are picky in the amount of string noise they have in their recordings. It sounds more authentic to YOU the keyboard player because well.., the majority are not guitar players and the keyboard makers job is to fool YOU not a guitar player.

Perhaps if someone of you guys actually picked up a guitar and learned a few chords and how the instrument actually fucntions you just may have a totally new outlook on these modern guitar patches on keyboards.

Sure we can fool OURSELVES with modern guitar patches.., but that's exactly what they're designed to do. FOOL US.., and everyone else in the audience WHO IS NOT a guitar player!

Just as IrishActs pointed out.., he liked it.., but his wife WHO IS A GUITAR PLAYER wasn't impressed..., again keep in mind the guitar patch posted here WAS NOT INTENDED to fool IrishActs wife.., but fool US KEYBOARD PLAYERS.




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A guitar patch or mode on any keyboard is NOT there to fool the player... at least the experienced one! I don't believe that's it's purpose whatsoever. But it IS there to fool the inexperienced LISTENER. I don't know about you, but when I play a sax solo, or a flute solo, or any solo of an acoustic instrument, my goal isn't to fool an experienced player or listener. Well, OK, maybe it's a LITTLE bit of a goal, but at least I am realistic enough to realize this is very unlikely to happen!

However, my audience, on the whole, doesn't consist of flute players, sax players and guitarists. It consists of real people, out for a good time. So, the bar is a LOT lower. Let's be honest. Does anyone claim that even the keyboard sounds in their arrangers would fool an experienced ear? Put even our best piano sounds, or Rhodes, or Wurli, or B3 or Clavinet up against the real thing, and it's unlikely that you couldn't tell the difference.

But it fools the audience, especially, as Dennis did here, you play completely idiomatically. And THAT, not fooling the players of the real instrument, is the goal, isn't it? Nobody other than real guitarists honestly give a toss if the fret squeaks are in the right place or not. Just as long as they help give an IMPRESSION of the real thing...

So let's dial back the rhetoric a bit. Nobody with any real ears is ever going to miss this trickery. Except, of course, the people we are actually playing for, and who pay our bills

And that's good enough for me

This demo was to emphasise the additional layers on the Media Station native sound banks. More because some have complained these "nuanced" sounds were not available on the MS. That these were only the domain of Yamaha and Korg.

I deliberately played the notes harder to make these standout.

In this demo it was a bit too much,granted, but as I said before it was deliberate. It was more a demo of the Media Station patch than me playing a guitar or trying to fool people into thinking it was a real guitar player.

I wasn't going to, but I changed my mnd and decided to post a link to another demo I did for Dom last night...again it is a straight through audio recording of live play, NO editing of midi no audio editing apart from mixing the 2 tracks together and adding some rev.

I had to record two tracks because the chords guitar also need control notes to be used, and as I don't have THREE arms and hands I had to do two. One for the chords and one for the single note guitar. For those that are interested the link is: http://www.lionstracs.com/guest/dennis/TimeOfYourLife.mp3

And again it is only using patches available on the MS Giga banks. No VST's.

Dennis



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Hi miden.
I read your original post before any edits, and I have to say mate your way too hard on people here and yourself.

I don't think you understand what people are saying in general here.

I personally really liked your demo and the mere fact that you could over hit the notes is excellent in my opinion. It really shows off what is possible, and it gave a real world response from the sound. Not another perfect bubble keyboard sound.

So for what it's worth, I think your demo accomplished everything you wanted, and I personally enjoyed it. If the other sounds are like that in the Library, I'd love to buy it myself.

A Guitarist would hate the buzzing, but that's a different story. Do you honestly think there are many guitarists that even understand what a multisample is. Their needs are different than ours.

Hope you understand what I'm saying and keep on posting your demo's. Don't ever let anything said on a forum stop you from sharing your music.

Some people will never be pleased no matter what, so when you do something don't do it for them. Do it for yourself and those interested.

Regards.
James.

Thanks James...Yes I agree with you it's why I changed it.

Thank you for you comments, and as you can see I posted another demo of Media Station patch/s.

By the way you were also spot on with your recommendation of True Pianos, excellent VST.

And for $145 USD (after Cakewalk discount) great value for money.

Dennis

Dennis,
Good to hear from you...I liked both demo's.
Shows some of the capabilities of the MS.

Thanks for posting them.....
Lee S.

I've been down this road before, but are we REALLY trying to FOOL our audience, or just make music that sounds good ?!? ... music that SOUNDS LIKE another instrument other than a piano kb, but are we FOOLING anybody ??? ... all anyone would have to do is LOOK to see that we are not playing a guitar, trumpet, sax, whatever ...
And as Diki said, most (99.9% ?) of our audience is NOT going to think - "Oh that fret noise didn't belong there" ... c'mon ... let's get real ...Unless you are trying to create a recording to have the listener really BELIEVE he/she is listening to all those different instruments (and I don't think too many of us will be doing that), as long as it sounds good, what is all the fuss about ...

t.

Well, I don't know if 'fool' is quite the right term, but there's a radical difference for the listener between someone playing a guitar part idiomatically, and someone just playing their old piano licks or whatever...

And, to be fair, playing idiomatically is probably a hundred times more important than an accurate, multi-velocity split sound... whether the fret buzzes are in the right place or not. I think our audiences can pick up on a non-idiomatic performance far quicker than they can on the sound. Of course, once you have the idiomatic playing down cold, then the sound accuracy starts to become a bit more important. But, truth be known, if you can't give a pretty good impression of the instrument you are trying to emulate on what you already have, a more detailed set of samples isn't going to make you sound any better at all.