Hi Folks,

How many of you have Ketron Audya can you get them yet?


Regards

[This message has been edited by Tony Hughes (edited 05-24-2009).]

Ketron has decided to forego selling any more Audya's in the U.S. unfortunately. Frank's measly few Audya units will apparently be the last Audya's to wash up on the shores of the United States it looks like. If you didn't get one of Frank's first few (and only) then too bad.

Ketron's reasoning (why they did what they did) was because of the United States utter hostility and verbal tongue lashing its citizens gave towards Ketron's latest Flagship offering, and Ketron has decided it's not worth their time nor the effort to continue to market the Audya in the U.S. If you want an Audya hereafter you will unfortunately have to move to Europe or Asia (any place other than the U.S. that is.. ) to be able to purchase the Audya.

PS: U.S. citizens can try to get a temporary visa to either Mexico or Canada and establish (set up) a temporary residence there and then after six months you will then be able to order the Audya from Ketron directly or buy it in retail stores that eventually will carry them, since they (Ketron) will still sell the Audya in both Mexico and Canada. If you show only "American" citizenship Ketron will have to deny your attempt to purchase the Audya unfortunately. Hence the reason and need to set up a temporary residency and citizenship in either Canada or Mexico.

>> I'm patiently waiting for AJ to provide some type of rebuttal to my argument but I am not really expecting one.

All the best,
Mike

April 1st 2010

[This message has been edited by keybplayer (edited 05-24-2009).]

And I wouldn't blame them a bit if they did that!
DonM

The US market is an irrelevance as far as international arranger sales are concerned. Sorry and all that.

Mike.., the US as a whole is way down on the bottom when it comes to numbers sold here. It's not fair to blame Ketron like that. Yeah.., we did give it a lash'n.., but I highly doubt that Ketron's going to make a decision like that based on what they see here on the Zone.

Hell.., we're lucky to have any major TOTL arrangers here as it is. Korg and Yamaha are really keeping to it with the US market. Sadly.., Roland hasn't really shown much interest.

If nobody made styles appropriate to the European market, or the Middle Eastern market, or the Balkan market, they would sell just as abysmally there as they do here. When is anyone going to learn (I mean, for Pete's sake! all they have to do is listen to American radio!) that music over here is quite different to over there...

If your sales model involves ONLY making styles for people fifty years and older (in the US market), you are doomed to diminishing sales and eventual obsolescence. Young people in Europe dance and party to those dance styles. Young people in Romania dance to their music's styles. But young people in America do NOT dance or party to the styles in any contemporary arranger.

Fix THAT, and the American market opens back up. Let's face it, we are a pretty big chunk of the WS market. Despite the economy, there IS money over here..! But you have to build a product that more than retirees (and those that play for them ) will dance to.

I think the problem lies within the copyright laws. If they offered modern styles that even closely resamble popular songs, the greedy lawyers in this country would eat them alive. On the other hand western Europe has strict laws, but people create their own styles.

So why doesn't anybody offer custom styles like in Europe, Middle East and the Balkans?

Hi,

I asked the question about the number of Audya in the USA because here in the UK they are hard to get at the moment.
I do have one.
I am totally confused about the whole thing, if they are as bad as you make out can someone call AJ and tell him he can stop his YOUTUBE Audya teach-in sessions and if KETRON don’t look at this site perhaps he can call them.
If you have taken a look at some of the YOUTUBE demos you can see and hear that it is good, there are obviously the usual problems that you will have picked up from various forums, no manual ,there is still some works to do and it is a great pity that Ketron don’t look at forums like this .
I know people moan like hell sometimes for nothing but sometimes people are justified in moaning.
Happy Audyaingggggggg when and if you get one???

PS I could get on a plane and bring you one across the pond (Atlantic)

Let me see - Auyda £4000.00 Shorty to go up in price I have heard
Plane ticket £1000.00
Visa £ 60.00
Bit of Mark up for me shopping money you know Big Apple


Oh well as Homer Simpson would say “Doh!”

Regards

Tony

SZ or any other forum is the last thing that any develloper at all looks at and decides on
basis of that. Not just Machine devellopers but even people like me, sounds and whatever
devellopers, i have nothing to do with the forums and what people said on the forums never
bothered me, its always the same few people bashing around who will never buy anything,
forums is the LAST concern about any devellopers. This is not a hearsay, its a fact i live with
day by day, every single day. You get a bunch of people in here that have nothing else to do
and just bullshit around for no reason and on the other side you get 20-25 customers a week
which you never saw on the forums and which have never heard about forums.
So dont worry about SZ or else, KETRON people are jut laughing at us here.

Nedim,

I think you are100% correct - Ketron would never look at this site, if they did you wouldn't get answers to your questions.

Cheers

Tony

Perhaps you are right about all your other comments.

[This message has been edited by Tony Hughes (edited 05-25-2009).]

And maybe their sales in America (or rather, the lack thereof) are a result of them NOT lurking here and finding out what people actually want?

If you only satisfy your current customer base, little chance of it growing...

You and few others cursed at my Western Styles when i released them and on the other
side there is customers that Bow down to those styles (of course not on the forum here).
My point is, they dont care about this or other forums, nor i care about it since we know
a forum is of 4-5 members which are not satisfied with anything nor they need anything
nor they are buying anything. Trust me, the ones that wanted Audya they already bought
it, didnt even probably look at this forum at all.

Nah, I don't trust you on this one, simply because there is too few Audya out
at the market. To me it looks like it's the Eastern Europe who got the most, or
at least got most people inside shops to play for uploading videos....
Also I'm very sure that Ketrons people peek into the fora around, they're eager
to see the reactions, even if they don't pay any atention and bother to reply
at any treads.
Regarding the manual, it's a shame they release a product as complex as this and
just deliver a Quik Guide. To me it looks like they target only the customers
that already are very familiar to Ketrons products.
There is much more to it than just press a preset buttton and play as it is.

Cheers
GJ

Btw, try figure out how many Audya Ketron shipped world wide. Not many, probably
not even passed 50, surely not 100!
But that's natural, as you know, till now it's just a Beta Test Version.

Wops, maybe on the way out of the Beta Test mode?
Found this link Ketron Forum, OS2 released: http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum22/HTML/001277.html

Or direct link, click software when page loaded for english "how to do" and download: http://www.ketron.it/prodotti/index.asp?idTipo=2

Way to overreact, Nedim... You are quite the drama queen.

Nobody cursed them. They just didn't like them. Different story. Where you come from, if you don't like something, do you say 'I curse it!'?

But it perfectly illustrates the dilemma. A style maker, from Romania (or somewhere like that, sorry if I got it wrong) steeped in Balkan music, trying to make American styles, and utterly confused (to the point of paranoia) why few were impressed.

Nedim, what do you think of Balkan styles created by people that are not from the Balkan tradition? Do you like them? And, if not, does this mean you curse them?

If you are selling styles (not cheaply, either), the customers have a right to expect a product that competes with the best of the ROM from the arranger you are creating for. For Romanian music, the field is wide open (there AREN'T any Romanian styles in the ROM ) so comparison isn't a problem. But for Western styles, unfortunately, there's a standard. It's what comes in the arranger when you buy it. If your styles are as good as these, people buy them. If they are not... well, they mostly don't.

If that's a curse, it's self inflicted.

But it still doesn't address that your styles, just the same as the ROM ones, are still hopelessly out of date to attract NEW players into the arranger market. You are making styles for the existing market. Nothing wrong with that, it's good business sense for a small style maker. But the manufacturers themselves, with MUCH deeper pockets and the very ones that would benefit the MOST from growing their market share into areas that don't buy arrangers now, they are the people that SHOULD be doing this.

Or, within ten or so years, the arranger market in the US will dwindle to close to what the 'home organ' market is now. Virtually gone.

Cursed, I suppose you could say...

I received a phone call from CMC distributors here in the USA last week. I was told that Ted would be receiving a few more Audya keyboards May 26 and I would be getting one to have at my store from this shipment.\

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George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California
818-881-5566
www.kayesmusicscene.com

Great news George can't wait to read your honest review....was there any mention of stock for purchasing?

Hi All,

The trails gone cold - what ever happened to all those Auyda's being shipped and snapped up?

Keep on ketroning "Doh"

I've been gigging with one now for about a month, I sold a couple of them, and they are great sounding but still need work.

I've been emailing AJ with requests and bugs and he has been working on them.

I have to say, sales on all the arrangers have gone cold. Not a good time.

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www.AudioworksCT.com
203.876.1133

Cold is an understatement.....what's out there now could very well be out there for a long while to come....choose wisely or enjoy what you already have.