Besides the obvious which is style editing and creating, event editing, along with some great Roland-like makeuptools is.....

The ability to load in YOUR OWN audio grooves. Drums and guitar

Being limited to use only what Ketron gives us makes for such a closed-end system...

The "Obvious" items you pointed our are basic functions of any arranger keyboard and KETRON quite simply have a neck like a Giraffe to be trying to sell the Audya in it's current state.

This is the first keyboard from this company that I don't like one bit. I don't like it because it's not finished and it scream the sound of a company in serious trouble.

If Ketron want to compete with the likes of KORG, ROLAND and YAMAHA, then they need so some serious work on everything including the price.

Just my 2 Cents.

your 2 cents plus my 2 cents makes 4 cents,

we just need to find another 499,996 cents
to buy the actual thing ;-)

lol... try selling one because that's even harder.

I help out at a music store when more advanced users come in. The owner makes an appointment for me to drop down and I take people through all the advanced features. I've spent some serious time on the Audya lately and I'm going down on record here as saying that this is the first keyboard I can't sell.

I could sell snow to an Eskimo but not a Audya to a single Ketron user, let alone try convert a Yamaha or KORG user.

[This message has been edited by Irishacts (edited 05-29-2009).]

maybe you can't sell one because it is MISSING some very BASIC tools REQUIRED in ANY arranger

oh ye,

and MAYBE because it is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE !!!

i hope i got my point across

Supposedly, you'll be able to load your own drum grooves in (but could do that with an SD-1, too) but even Ketron can't stream the guitar voices. Those are in ROM and played directly. Don't ever expect to do that until the Audya2 (if ever).

James, what is the #1 reason folks don't buy the Audya? Price? Sound? Styles? I doubt it is the lack of editing (few use that much, anyway )...

What do you get from them?

No Dikki, as it is now you cant load any any Audio in it, loops or samples.

Once again, the English thing...

'You'll be able to' is FUTURE tense, Nedim. I know full well it can't do it now, but given that even the SD-1 could do this, it is reasonable to assume they will deliver on this feature... Possibly OS3, maybe OS4...

But given that they can't even stream guitar loops themselves from HD, it is also reasonable to assume they won't be able to let users do this, either... OK?

Well, if they look closely at the Technics composer and panelmemory features and OS userfriendlyness
and add something similiar as well as what you say here, they sure have to look at the price too.
They probably would raise it. And guess what, in that case it most likely would be worth the extra
bunch of dollars!

Cheers
GJ

The only thing an audya needs is a good musician

I agree, Bachus.
WHEN YOU ARE out there do you really think the people are listening to the loops and the bells? They listen to the words and look at the performers. Very few musicians will carefully listen...and they will not leave you a tip...

A rich one, at that!

Just curious, but what arranger DOESN'T need a good musician?

Me, I'd have thought that the better the musician, the MORE he (or she!) would need guitar chords that didn't change dramatically when you used dim/aug/sus chords (presumably the poor musician doesn't even play these chords? ). I'd have thought the better musician would be MORE likely to want to be able to customize his (or her!) styles. And the better the musician, the more likely they would want to use a sampler...

My mistake. I must suck...

[This message has been edited by Diki (edited 05-30-2009).]

Really?
To me it looks like what Audya need is more customers.
Then the customers can learn to be good musicians. (Hopefully)

GJ

The price is the problem, but not because they can't afford it. The problems is in trying to give them justification for how much this costs and why it costs 1400 Euro more than a Tyros 3 or a Pa2X which both have full editing features.

I will sell it, but not to a Yamaha, Roland or a KORG user. Only an existing KETRON user looking to upgrade could be convinced to buy into this.

If that where true, then I'd be able to sell 100 of these keyboards to people like you.

Sadly it's not that way though. When it lacks the core basic editing functions there's little chance in convincing someone to buy this keyboard.

It costs 1400 Euro MORE than a Pa2X or a Tyros 3 in my Country.

Dont worry in a year or so...you'll probably pick up an audya for half of what is is now the market will dictate it's cost..

I hope it doesn't sink Ketron in the process.

James I don't think so, Ketron has a great product. Maybe they don't have the resources the big boys have but they are still contenders for sure with a dedicated following world wide. I hope they succeed as some of their features are really unique and definitly have a place in the arranger KB music world. Not everyone can afford a Ferrari, but they still sell them around the world..

A Ferrari WORKS. It is BETTER, faster, stops quicker than just about anything. It EARNS its' price premium.

The Audya, OTOH, has some fundamental things missing at this point, and other fundamental things that work half-assed compared to how they should. And then it has some fundamental things that are advanced. But it has by no means the all around dominance that Ferrari holds in the market place at it's particular product.

The Audya is a Ferrari with a speed governor to stop it going faster than your family sedan. At full Ferrari price.

Talking about Ferrari's
The KORG OASYS was abandoned just recently.

If things don't work out for KETRON I can't seem them having the money KORG does to make such a big decision. Ketron might have placed all their eggs in one basket here.

James.

Korg leveraged their Oasys technology and sounds over into their new M3/M50, heck some of it is supposed to be in the PA2Xpro...

Ketron are going to have to do this, and PRONTO. I think you are right, James, that they have gotten themselves into a very deep hole betting the farm on an über-expensive arranger just as a global recession hits. Tough luck for them, but the underlying technology, if trickled down QUICKLY to a MOTL arranger, might save their asses. But it's hard to see how a product in THREE YEARS of costly development or more is going to save the company given the economic downturn.

Korg had enough sense to cut and run, and firesale the tech they developed into products that people can afford. I wonder if Ketron can do the same?

Ahhh, that's why the big pricedrop here.
(Last advert I did see was 70-75% cut off.)
GJ

Then even discontinued, the Oasys is a bargain... that thing sounds GREAT....

The more i hear of the Audya ,the less im impressed.
Dont want to change my T3 for it,i am already bored by the drums i heared in every style to hard.
No songstyle support in aftermarket.

Impuls

what it REALLY needs is ....

a BIG TIME price reduction !!!