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#265576 - 05/30/09 05:34 PM Re: VSTi help
squeak_D Offline
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I didn't notice any latencey issues with GPO..., and the guy was running it on PC too. RAM.., and CPU will make or cut the workflow. Some cheapo sound cards have issues too. The PC I was able to test it on was running 2 gigs RAM.., and I think the CPU was clocked at 2.0GHz but I'm not sure what his sound card was.

I did however hear about latencey problems associated with GBB though. Didn't Garritan release updates to deal with that?

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#265577 - 05/30/09 06:53 PM Re: VSTi help
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If you are talking about orchestral DAW production, latency isn't that big a deal. To do it right, you only work on one small part at a time, while everything else's latency is handled by the automatic latency compensation of the DAW, or a bit of track slipping.

Most of the latency issues revolve around the soundcard. Some, like RME are bombproof at low figures. Others, not so much...

YMMV
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#265578 - 05/30/09 11:11 PM Re: VSTi help
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Hi Bernie,
didn't you have One Man Band software? did you ever get your Receptor up & running with it?? Live Styler as far as I'm aware, plays the same psr styles as OMB does.

I never got past the soundfonts for the style parts, but at least I was able to edit the drums to suit psr drum mapping instead of having to alter the styles.

As far as I'm aware, Frank is pretty much still using the same setup he was a couple of years back, Bandstand for Style parts, can't remember what he was using for melody, but it was pretty much top of the line.

If you're planning on using Live Styler as a realtime arranger? whatever you use for the style parts, is going to have to accept Bank & Program Changes in realtime.
A couple of years back, there weren't many options, hopefully things have changed.

best wishes
Rikki

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Bill
I have Colossus(now Goliath) and Kontakt 2 in my Receptor. I wonder if I could use Live Styler in my laptop, and connect to my libraries via Live Wire connection to Receptor. I have been curious about the program as a possible alternative to hardware.

Bernie
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#265579 - 05/31/09 04:06 AM Re: VSTi help
abacus Offline
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Registered: 07/21/05
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Hi Bernie
Providing the receptor accepts all the standard midi codes, and can transfer them to the appropriate VST, you should have no problems controlling them with Livestyler.
The Beauty of Livestyler is just like Wersi & Lionstracs you can load the VST on your computer and control it as if it was just like part of the arranger. (This also applies to external Midi control)
In many respects Livestyler is more flexible then the Wersi OAS GUI, and generations in front of Mediastation. (The main downside of the Mediastation is that you still need to be fairly knowledgeable about computers and music software, whereas Wersi OAS & Livestyler push it in to the background, allowing users pretty much the same ease of use as a normal hardware board)
BTW Frank’s setup is featured on the Livestyler site, and I am pretty sure he has both Colossus and Garritan in his arsenal.
Hope this helps

Bill
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#265580 - 05/31/09 05:00 AM Re: VSTi help
Bernie9 Offline
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Registered: 09/21/02
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Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
Thanks Squeak and Diki
Rikki
I have Onemanband, although I didn,t get the upgrade. It is too cumbersome for live play on my laptop, and perhaps, Livestyler is too, and/or I have't spent enough time with it. The Receptor has a great library, but has no sequencer, so I would have to connect to computer. For non arranger playing, it has many possibilities for my controller keyboards, like big band multis.

I saw on the Ketron forum that an SD2 program is being developed by one of the members. That could be interesting. As time goes by softsynth technology will allow me to have an alternative to hardware if I can grasp it, and live that long. If I could find some modulated/articulated samples( like the SD2), ready for performance, or could find out how to make it so from raw samples, I would be halfway there.
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#265581 - 05/31/09 09:04 AM Re: VSTi help
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Registered: 11/05/07
Posts: 321
Loc: Argentina
Thank you for all the information. These orchestra VSTi are fantastic if they sound like the demos I listened to. I guess the sound quality depends on the Pc sound card and that playing live properly depends on the processor and the RAM of the computer. My Pc is an Athlon 64 Dual core 5000+ ,4GB RAM (Windows XP) with a soundblaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio so I think it's good enough for this purpose.
But something else attracted my attention: Someone from Liontracks offered me for a good price a used Mediastation X 76 which is in my country and I got so excited I couldn´t think about VSTi’s much more. This machine looks awesome and its features are impressive. Actually it is computer (that most of you already know)with the console of an arranger with 76 keys and many useful sliders and buttons and an 8.5 inches touch display all comparable to a Korg Oasys. I’ve read some comments about the better quality of sounds of the Oasys but it is not available here anymore (because I think the production stopped) and I wouldn’t pay a fortune for it. With the Mediastation I would be able to use any VSTi I want having the control of everything at the tip of my fingers, I could also play Yamaha Styles and get rid of my Psr 1500. I don’t know the quality of the keybed and if it has aftertouch but surely should be better than middle range keyboards like the ones I have (the PA500 keybed is awful). Well I wanted to share this and say thanks to this forum which allows me to learn and also opens the door to unexpected opportunities.


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#265582 - 05/31/09 09:15 AM Re: VSTi help
Dnj Offline
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Talk to Fran Carango he has the Media Station 76 and LOVES IT!!

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#265583 - 05/31/09 11:41 AM Re: VSTi help
Bernie9 Offline
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Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
If it wasn't for the price, I would have a Mediastation if only for the control of vsti's of my choice.
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#265584 - 05/31/09 12:25 PM Re: VSTi help
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Loc: NW Florida
I bet Fran doesn't gig it much, though...

You want something affordable that does the same VSTi hosting? Take a look at the V-Machine. 10% of the cost of a Mediastation. Check out this thread:
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/019630.html
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#265585 - 05/31/09 03:30 PM Re: VSTi help
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If I didn't already have a Receptor, I would spring for the $600 and get it. As it is a great little module, I don't see it doing anything the Receptor can't do.
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