I want to upload 8 Beat style :
http://mp3upload.ca/download/17907/8_beat.mp3

If you like it or not that one is mine.

Dont like it.

well done Magic Alpha. thats not a bad style at all. Its all a little bass heavy but thats definately useable.

Could you tell us a little about how you made it ?

For example how many CV's have you used ? or did you copy anything from another style or was it all your own work in terms of all the instruments played, guitar strums etc.

Thanks for having the courage to post up your styles :-)

Yes i agree, definitely useable nice and simple which allows the end user a great deal of space for doing their own thing.

The drums and bass are well balanced in my view. Remember this is not a karaoke style the user will still be playing the live keyboard over the top of this, so its good the drums and bass are more upfront.

Bravo Magica!!

here a yamaha style with live styler. if there somthing wrong becouse a use demo version of livestyler on mediasation. there for live styler cut some times and you have to restart the live styler. the style name is Entrance

het is only live styler with YXG50
http://www.easy-share.com/1905583594/Entrance.wav

thanks for posting. I dont know if i am doing anything wrong. The file downloads fine but when i play it the sound is very badly distorted. Is it just me ? From what i could make out the style was fine.If its not too much trouble can you post the same style again after tweaking it using whatever VST sounds you feel will make the style sound better and let us hear the two versions side by side. This would be a great demonstration of what the MS has over other keyboards.

[This message has been edited by spalding (edited 06-07-2009).]

They aren't BAD styles, but does anyone think that these compare with some of the better closed arranger's ROM styles? Particularly the guitar parts?

The 8-Beat suffers from a PSR (pre Mega voice) quality to the guitars, and also a lack of cohesion between the snare drum sounds (stick sounds like a different drum to the main snare, which sounds different to the accent rimshots). Also the bass is a bit tubby... (and not happy with that weird 'worm' sound in the intro!)

The Entrance style was recorded panned predominantly to the right side, but be that as it may, once again, this didn't make me want to go out and ditch my G70! Plus, I'm sorry, but demoing a style with just ONE chord doesn't expose whether it responds well to changes, whether the bass line transitions well between chord types, whether the guitar's NTT's and wraparound points stay realistic, and many other things that never get exposed until you try to play YOUR changes on them.

I am sorry, but if these were put up in an effort to show how easy it is to make great styles on the MS, I am not sure it really demonstrates this... Plus, you don't give any details of how long they took to create and perfect, or what your playing skill level is, whether you have created styles commercially for other arrangers, etc., etc..

There are great style creating and editing tools on MOST arrangers, closed or open... but very little in the way of users succeeding at creating good styles (with 'good' being used as in 'comparable to the ROM styles' quality'). I tend to take this as proof that it is MUCH harder than it is made out to be by those that have no CHOICE, either by playing a style of music not included in the ROM selection, or by using an arranger that comes 'bare bones' with few good styles to start with.

These are nice enough styles, AFG. But they hardly qualify as proof of the MS's 'superiority'. In fact, they do more to expose it's weaknesses, necessitating it's users to attempt the job that all other manufacturers hire VERY talented style creators to do for them... A job that very few of us are skilled enough to do as well as the ROM style designers.

Diki, with all due respect..I think you really are being a typical "tyre-kicker" with all your comments about the MS.

I really do not think you are ever going to buy one no matter what ANYONE says or does.

If a user posted exactly what you wanted to hear, or if Dom created a keyboard to settle your complaints, you would ALWAYS then find some other thing to criticise and complain about.

I think you should really give it a rest, move on to other things and let others just enjoy what we are doing.

Dennis

Trouble is, Dennis, no-one has. Rather than deciding, in advance what I am, and I am NOT going to do, why not actually get the MS owners to do the simple task I ask for? And THEN find out what I do next.

Every other make of arranger is well represented by user demos (I prefer to just call it music ), but the MS is well represented by user EXCUSES. One of which now is, apparently, 'why even BOTHER to provide evidence for my claims...? It won't change your mind', which is a self fulfilling excuse, because my mind will definitely NOT change until it happens!

The whole idée fixe of the MS users has been how, 'potentially' it is a FAR better arranger that a closed one. I am still waiting to hear ONE person prove that, let alone a whole group of you (all the other makers don't rely on just ONE post as 'proof' of how good their product is). But that is like saying, if you have a few tools, 'potentially' you could build a great house. My contention, so far borne out by pretty much everything I've heard here, is that that potential is abysmally low.

As soon as I DO hear MS users getting a better sound out of their arranger than T3, PA2Xpro and all the rest do, trust me, you won't be hearing from me any more... Except, of course, to post my OWN MS music

Until then, quit making excuses, and start making music. That IS what you bought an MS for, isn't it?

[This message has been edited by Diki (edited 06-08-2009).]

before this post goes south.....here is an opportunity, if Magic alfa is willing, to finally see what the MS can do. We have a converted yamaha style that sounds ok. But the MS has the ability to play VST's, it has livestyler and qranger so hopefully we can see how much improved the style can become now we have the bench mark converted yamaha style.

Please gentlemen, before we have a go at each other , lets give Magic alfa the benefit of the doubt and see what can be done to this benchmark style to demonstrate why the MS could really be a great Arranger , workstation tool.

Pretty please ?

Diki

Why we can not do something together.

You need to play one style on your G70 (only simple intro, variation 1-4, fill in and ending). I'm asking you only, that you post here mp3 in 256 kbps and original roland file. I will convert it to LS and than I will make same in qranger. Than we can make comparison.

I'm really happy that you are cooperating on this forum.

BR
Magica Alfa

You want the arranger audio to play just one chord? Which chord would you like? And by 'original Roland file', do you mean the MIDI derived from making the audio example, or the original style file? (I think you mean the latter, but I'm just making sure).

I am VERY grateful someone is finally taking me seriously here... If you think the MS is the better arranger, and can do what I need it to do, providing an audio example to back it up is the only way to convince somebody. There has been four years of 'trust me' on this forum, when the only thing ANY of us trust is our own ears (most of those rabidly 'defending' the MS haven't actually GOT ONE, they just HOPE it is what they want it to be)...

I am on the road today, the G70 will be back in the studio tomorrow. I'll get on this as fast as I can...

Thanks, Magica for not turning this into yet another theoretical, theologian argument about angels dancing on the head of a pin... The REAL WORLD is where I play music

I will be very interested in learning which VSTi's you intend to use, and if you can, please track how long it takes you to do the conversion.

fantastic stuff !! this is where the forum gets really interesting

Diki Thanks,

I understand you DIKI.

Please I need only one style. This style can be played with one chord or with severally. (Would you be so kind and say me what you use inside)

I need only style that i can convert. (G70 format)

If I will convince you in my approach I will be really happy. I do not want that you see me as one promoter of MS. I'm user of MS. I will be really happy if you will understand what I'm playing. I like this instrument as you like yours.

I know that you are not understand me as native English speaker but I hope that you understand me 10%.


Diki thanks for help.

BR Magica Alfa

Going back to Alabama again today, so still no time to do this...

Trust me... soon

Thanks, and sorry for the delay Magica.

Diki no problem . Also I have work. I understand you. We will find time.

BR Magica Alfa

Hi,
if the style actually has to be converted,
is it done thru EMC??

If so, I've had hassles with EMC removing controllers in some formats & multiple tempo changes in Intro's & Endings.

If you are using EMC, does the version on MS have the same problems??

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Magica Alfa:
[B]Diki Thanks,

I need only style that i can convert. (G70 format)

just bumping this. Is it still a live project Diki and Magic alpha ?

Hi Spalding,
wouldn't hold my breath.
Read this on another post.
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/019626-5.html

best wishes
Rikki

thanks Rikkisbears. The last post on that thread still looked quite hopeful. I really hope that Diki and Magic Alpha complete this experiment as it would anser so many questions and we could actually have a practical example of what can be done on the MS and can compare it directly with a standard arranger. It would be such a wasted opportunity if it has stalled.

Hi Spalding,
so do I.
Would have been interesting to hear one against the other, especially just as a straight style, no melody, to distract from the comparison.

Oh well, suppose we'll see if it eventuates.

best wishes
Rikki

Sorry... gigging like crazy. It'll be up as soon as I get the G70 back in the house.

Good for you, Diki ...
t.

Diki, nice to see you here.

When you will have some time for me I will be proud that you share your examples with me and that we can do something for other SZ members.

I wish you good and nice gigs.

rikkisbears,
About converting with EMC yes you are right you need to check each part otherwise you will get totally different style. But that comes out only when author of style use a lot of resets.

Hi Magica,
does it keep tempo changes intact??

I wasn't sure if it was because I was using Universal version of EMC, but I tried converting one of my sd1+ styles across to korg format. Apart from the Live drums not converting well, it also removed about 50 tempo changes in the Intro's. The intro sounded odd without them.
Ended up recording it as a midifile instead, & put the style together from that.
Strangely enough, a lot of the type of styles I use have multiple tempo changes in the intro's & endings.

best wishes
Rikki

That's why I was wondering if the version of EMC used in the MS differed to the pc version??

is this thing going to happen at all ?

I'm waiting.


About converting of styles with tempo changing I have no such troubles also not in PC, because they are still hiden at bacground, you need only to find it. Tempo is stay at position. But I rather make my own tempo for style.