Latest update from Wersi (R41) gives 15 tries of the OAA (Open Art Arranger) amongst other trial options, and so I thought I would pop a few styles up, before the trial runs out.
The OAA is almost totally alien to the OAS Style System that I am used to, so not everything quite matches at the moment.
http://www.4shared.com/file/118130224/86f8212a/Big_Band_Fast.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118130395/13c9a240/Country_Pop.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118130512/41f9c159/Guitar_Swing.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118130651/bedaebbe/Hollywood.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118130848/d4834f51/New_York.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118130995/1e5e2796/Piano_Ballad.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118131146/84563ebc/Rock_n_Roll.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118131368/525ca557/Samba_Carnival.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118131511/604cf786/Slow_Fox.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118131704/ab9e626/Slow_Swing.html

Enjoy

Bill

It sounds like converted Tyros style's ,they sound much better on the Tyros 1,2&3.

Impuls

Hi Impuls
The OAA can play Yamaha styles directly without conversion; however these have the OAA .stw format. (Wersi does not supply any Yamaha styles)
The settings probably need changing, as they are still set up for the OAS style system.
Regards

Bill

Here are some screenshots of the OAA
http://www.4shared.com/file/118234194/6ebca341/OAA_Screenshots.html

I have also included some Direct Play (No Conversion) Yamaha styles (Yamaha styles are my least favourite but I thought I might as well post a few)
As is usual with Wersi the Drums are awful, (Although improved a little over time the drum module used is still almost 10 yrs old and way passed its sell buy date) and its replacement cannot come too soon (Sometime later this year is the prediction, thank goodness for Akai Samples and EZ Drummer in the meantime)
I have also upped the EQ and Reverb a bit from the original post.
http://www.4shared.com/file/118231689/3b87080a/Big_Band_Mambo.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118231818/97dcaedf/Celtic_Trance.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118231933/33fa7fe2/Country_Shuffle.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118232062/24ee2f50/English_Waltz.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118232235/c4799ad8/French_50s.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118232426/40e68691/Guitar_Serenade.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118232644/fb369455/Power_Rock.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118232869/bd2fa760/Scand_Country.html

Enjoy

Bill

Here are the screenshots of the OAS style system for comparison purposes.
http://www.4shared.com/file/118477498/50adc7b2/OAS_Style_Screenshots.html

To do any editing (Which is limited by the primitive style system) you need to export the style as a Midi, then load it into the Midi sequencer and edit from there, when completed it then has to be imported back into the style system.

Bill

Another feature that is available for trial in R41 is the Rhythm Designer, which although I posted about some time ago, I could not try as I did not have the OAA, therefore while the OAA trial is active, I thought I would post something.
The Rhythm Designer is a separate Loop/Arpeggio player that can be used either in tandem with the OAA or separately, and if required the loops/style parts can be interchanged with each other to create new loops/style parts.
The loops/arpeggios are in phr format so you can add your own loop/arpeggio libraries if you require.
The files are in 2 parts each, (Some seconds gap between the 2 parts)the first part uses the standard style and the second adds the Rhythm Designer to it. (The styles with Real in the title feature the Wersi Real Drums (Audio Loops) in them)
http://www.4shared.com/file/118532920/bc58804f/8_Beat.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118533120/af7b692/Curtis_Big_Band.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118533341/282ef5ec/Real_Brush_Medium.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118533710/255799e3/Real_Soul.html

Another trial option is the Franz Lambert pack and I have included a couple of styles from it below.
http://www.4shared.com/file/118534772/d467f0/Discofox.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118534929/e0ef6737/Samba_Latino.html

Finally a couple of styles from Rudi, an entertainer in Belgium
http://www.4shared.com/file/118535298/c0f506ee/Bad_Moon.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/118535498/c4787a5c/Leroy_Brown.html

Enjoy

Bill



[This message has been edited by abacus (edited 09-24-2009).]

Rhythm Designer Screen shot
http://www.4shared.com/file/118961752/ba1eba4b/Ryhthm_Designer_Screenshot.html

These still sound woeful for a current keyboard costing that much. Sorry and all that.

I've yet to hear a single Wersi style better than anything I had on my E-20 twenty (count 'em) years ago.

As the trials are running out I thought I would post some more Yamaha styles in 2 parts, the 1st part has been loaded off the stick into EMC Styleworks and converted to Wersi format, and the 2nd part was loaded directly off the stick and the start button pressed. (Direct Play)(Note: There is some seconds gap between the 2 parts)
It’s amazing how the type of style affects conversions.
http://www.4shared.com/file/119150239/c86592c2/Afro_Cuban.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/119150689/2c98e3d5/Big_Band_Samba.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/119150899/3f1dff9e/Country_Brothers.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/119151432/e386509d/Easy_Listening.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/119151706/cd80791e/Italian_Muzurka.html

Enjoy

Bill


[This message has been edited by abacus (edited 09-24-2009).]

I couldn't face the prospect of listening to all of them, so I randomly picked that one, and I've got to ask you . . . Bill, have you played any other keyboards apart from your Wersi in the years since Reagan was President?

Those styles are just awful, even by the standards of the late 1980s.

What are you trying to prove here? I mean that question quite sincerely - you post these styles, but why? And what do YOU make of them?

An English PDF file can now be downloaded with full details of the trials that are included in R41 Update.
http://www.wersiclub.co.uk/OAS%207.1%20Release%2041%20(July%2009).pdf

Enjoy

Bill

Hi Seamaster
Posts 4 and 9 are Yamaha Tyros 2 styles not Wersi styles (I made a point of this in the relevant posts)
From what I can gather like me, you are not a Yamaha style fan, I prefer Roland, Korg and Ketron styles myself.
As for comparisons with other arrangers/organs, do a search for keyboard festivals on SZ and you will find I do full reports on them, which includes listening and trying all the keyboards/organs on site.
Regards

Bill

In which case I am baffled. I had a Tyros for a while, and even allowing for the unpredictable vagaries of style conversion, I don't recall any style on that keyboard sounding as, well, primitive as that one.

Did you listen to both parts or did you just listen to the first part which was converted. (There’s some seconds gap between the converted style and direct play style, just as there was in the RD demos)
Apart from that, the Abacus is set up to how I like it. (I am just a home player, so use the internal speakers which probably isn’t the best way to set up for recording purposes)
Regards

Bill

Reset Links

Wersi is obviously in need of a new style engine...

I suppose that OAS vers. 8 is just around the corner, with native support of Yamaha styles that outclss yamaha's sound and Audio parts like Audya has and maybe even a good style editor.

I think this is what people expect from the most expensive keyboard on the Market.

Not even a murmur

OAS 7 (About 4 years old now) will continue(With ongoing updates and options) with the Steinberg Hypersonic VSTi sound engine for new voices, the Creamware Scope sound engine for legacy voices, the OX 7 drawbar sound engine for old and new organ voicing and Wersi's own WAV player Drum module for drums.


The Apollo (And I believe the Pegasus Wing) just use the Steinberg Hypersonic VSTi sound engine, and possibly the Wersi drum module.

As to a style editor, what have other manufactures got that the OAA does not have? (Only the Audya has anything different, but due to hardware limitations it will always be limited in its capabilities)

Ye gods! Hypersonic has been out for YEARS... and sucked even back then.

Without Mega Voice and SA technology, how does Wersi think they are going to be able to play Yamaha styles as good as even a PSR3k, let alone a T3?

Bottom line... if you rely on your competition to provide the styles that pull you out of the mud you are in, you are ALWAYS going to be playing catchup. And once they have moved forward technologically from your soundset, you'll NEVER get caught up...

Time for Wersi to stop piggybacking on Yamaha, and come out with sound technologies and related styles that match their hugely inflated prices. If you cost the MOST, shouldn't you have the best styles and sounds, too?

It's sad to see a company whose own technology was once way out in front (W-, and to a lesser extent DX- series organs) now reduced to simply cobbling together other companies' hand-me-downs.

I guess that would be just about acceptable if they were sold with an appropriately bargain basement price tag. But at the prices they're charging, they're kidding only themselves.

I'm sure Wersi only implemented Yamaha style playback in OAA so that users who switched from Yamaha to Wersi would be able to easily load their favorite styles into OAS. The style creator on the Wersi easily allows the user to create what the user wants, it just happens to be that most people don't create their own styles so they want to use other styles that are available from other manufacturers. Hence the use of OAA.

Sound wise the Wersi has no equal in any other arranger. I've said this time and time again, if you don't like the Wersi factory sounds which are almost all excellent, then simply load some AKAI samples, WAV files, or use VSTi. Try that on your T2, T3, or PSR.

Your conclusion that Wersi needs to catch up with Yamaha or other manufacturers is absurd. Who gives a damn about Mega Voices when you can load Real Guitars, True Piano, and Miroslav Orchestral sounds into your Wersi? I can't think of a single Yamaha sound that surpasses any of the sounds created by these programs.

Are there such people?!



[This message has been edited by Seamaster (edited 09-26-2009).]

I seriously doubt it, and I'm thinking there aren't many Roland players who would either.

Someone gave my friend's grandfather, a dedicated Roland player, a Wersi t-shirt, and, as a joke, they tried to put it on his dog.

Well, he barked, he snarled, he bit, he kicked, and then he peed and defecated on it...and, the dog behaved even worse than him.

A lot of home players and pros have gone from a Yamaha to a Wersi, and a lot of them have also kept both, as they complement each other as sweet as a nut.

As to whether a Wersi is for you or not, it boils down to what you want.

1. If you are perfectly happy to accept what the manufacture produces either as standard or as an add on, (Sounds, Features and Updates) then stick with a Hardware Arranger, as they are cheaper and will do most of what you require. (The perfect one has not been built, but there is plenty of choice out there)

2. If you want to be able to use sounds and features from other manufactures, (Akai samples, VSTi) with an easy to use interface, (After boot up the computer disappears) then the Wersi is the most viable option. (Others are available but usually require a more extensive knowledge of computers and music interfaces)

There is no right or wrong about either, its purely personal choice. (As I like to mix & match sounds and features from a selection of manufactures, for me, the Wersi is the best choice)

As to styles, then these are very expensive to produce, (As explained in other threads) and production of large numbers is way beyond the financial resources of smaller manufactures, therefore it is only logical for them to design an interface that can play another kind of style as well as its native format, (Personally I wish they had chosen Roland rather then Yamaha, but then that’s just me) to give customers a much wider option.

Bill

I'm one of those people who moved from a Yamaha arranger to the Wersi. Yamaha didn't support the 9000 Pro like they claimed they would and after going back and forth with them, I had no other option but to dump Yamaha altogether.

I bought my Wersi sight unseen and based upon comments from other Wersi users I contacted and I haven't been disappointed since my purchase. The first time I switched the Wersi on I knew I had made the right decision. Its build quality, sounds, capabilities, and ease of use are unmatched by any other arranger.

Bottom line is, if you want styles that pretty much suck, get a Wersi. If you want to play Yamaha styles, and have THEM suck (compared to the original), get a Wersi. If you want to make ALL your own styles (amazing how the only people that bring this up are the ones that NEVER demo to us their own styles ) and use the great factory sounds, get a Wersi.

Just make sure you NEVER ever play us any of these self made masterpieces, or we might have one MORE reason to say the Wersi sucks...

Bottom line is, what's the POINT of having great lead sounds, if the style pretty much blows?

Hi Diki

1. I suggest you follow your own advice and compare apples with apples and not apples with oranges.

2. Check what you have said in other threads, as a lot of your last post is contradictory.

Interesting how little response there was to the post when first started in July, but since I have reset the links so I can use them in other projects, the response has jumped up.

Anyway the trials finished some time ago, so it’s back to normal, as without having the software in front of me it’s difficult to keep descriptions and comparisons accurate.

BFN

Bill

Apples to oranges?

I'm comparing what I heard on one arranger with what I heard on another...

One of them didn't sound that good

Maybe, in the organ world, you are playing pedals, comping LH and leading with the right. All you need is a little timekeeping, and you are happy. Thing is, this is an ARRANGER forum. And, in the arranger world, the styles themselves are your backing band. You can be the world's best sax player, but if your combo don't swing, you still sound like poo.

Come on, Bill. You yourself admit the drums pretty much suck on the Wersi. And, where I come from, if your drums suck, that's it. Game over.

Organists have always seemed to tolerate the 'boom chick-a dunk-ah' drum beats and sounds, because the whole POINT of the organ experience is to emphasize the organ. Arrangers, OTOH, are all about trying to emulate REALITY. And 'boom chik-a dunk-a' ain't real. Not in my book, anyway...