HI , I NEED HELP TO BUY A SYSTEM FOR INDOOR PREACHING AND WORSHIP PURPOSES IN CHURCH WHERE AVERAGE GATHERING IS ABOUT 100 PEOPLE. I WAS THINKING TO BUY A POWERED MIXER AND SPEAKERS BUT IF THERE IS ANY OTHER GOOD SUGGESTION PLEASE ADVICE.WHICH SPEAKERS AND MICROPHONES ARE THE BEST AND MY BUDGET IS AROUND $2000.
IS THERE ANY SYSTEM WHICH CAN BE USED GLOBALLY AS I WILL BE TRAVELLING SO THE POWER MIXER/SPEAKERS CAN WORK 110/220V .

Bose Compact L-1

If you need more than one mic and one line input, also pick up a mixer such as one of the Beringer mixers at low cost and fairly good bang per buck.

The Bose Compact L-1 is spot on for what you need, easy to pack and carry, easy to use, does not need monitors at all, can handle the crowd size easily. Price is right at $999.00 US for the Bose. Add another 50 to 100 for that mixer and then the cost of mics and you are good to go praise and worship!

And you will enjoy world class sound without having to learn how to be an acoustics and electronics engineer.


--Mac

We tried out a Bose system in our 700 seat church. It was amazingly clear. The only reason we went with EV Evid-6 system was that we have alcoves that cut down on the Bose coverage. The Compact or the L1 would be great for speech and light music. If you have a band or large ensemble, then maybe something more traditional like a Mackie 808s system might work.

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I think that a Compact would be sufficient for your congragation, and certainly an L1 system would cover any overload or larger outdoor crowd. Again, depending on what and how many inputs you need, a good mixer would also be advisable.

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That is exactly the size crowd that the Bose L-1 Compact system is designed to handle.

Don't know how the comment about 700 applies here at all. ?


--Mac

The remark applies to the fact that A Bose system can sound fantastic in a larger church.

Spend overpriced list price money for a Bose...and then buy a "low cost" mixer...Something is wrong with this picture..

I am still astounded at the passivity that Bose users show to the fact that they HAVE to either spend a LOT of money for the Tonematch add-on, or buy a totally separate mixer, simply to add BASIC necessities like reverb, RCA line in capabilities (for iPod's, CD players, etc.), system EQ that is easy to understand, etc..

Were those missing on other gear, they would probably be the first to deride it's lack. But the Bose gets a pass.

How come?

You are right, Diki. I use two Roland CM-30 Cube Monitors at 1/2 level and can be easily heard thru a crowd of 100. Each CM-30 has 3 channels and an EQ, plent ins and outs for just about anything. The only thing missing are FX, which is easily solved.
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=663

The cost is about 20% of a Compact system and there are no complaints of dead spots or bad EQ. My wife will sometimes carry them into a venue if she is around - no complaints about weight either.

I guess I was taking --Mac's lead and going from there - my bad. I might also suggest a pair of EV SX80 speakers and a decent powered mixer with effects - way less than $2000.

How about Mackie Powered Speakers?

how about a powered mixer and good speakers,speakers big but small in size like bose to go with the powered mixer,if its good then what power mixer is good

http://www.sweetwater.com/c266--Powered_Mixers
http://www.sweetwater.com/c135--Passive_Unpowered_PA_Speakers
http://www.sweetwater.com/c442--All-In-One_PA_Systems
http://www.sweetwater.com/c134--Active_Powered_PA_Speakers

I am also involved in praise & worship at my church which is about the same size that you mentioned. I monitor this site a lot for tips on gears.

There are many praises in this website for the Bose that these guys were talking about. It is an amazing technology that is hard to believe. It has equal volume whether you are 5 feet away or 20 feet away.
I believe it is already powered speakers so you would not need a power mixer. Just a regular unpowered mixer would do. Like this one below
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Behringer-EURORACK-UB1222FX-PRO-Mixer-102583614-i1153472.gc

You need to figure out how many channels (pastor, keybd, drums, singers, etc) and then for sure you need some effects to enhance the vocals. The mixer above has it all.

Guitar Center has all these things and offers 30 days money back guarantee (last time I checked) which is great since you can try them out first without too much risk.

Fran is a longtime resident and seasoned pro here. He also recommended some Podium speakers that received lots of praises in this board. Ask him about it for recommendations but I do not think GC carries it. I think he also owned Bose as well.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cassp:
[B]You are right, Diki. I use two Roland CM-30 Cube Monitors at 1/2 level and can be easily heard thru a crowd of 100. Each CM-30 has 3 channels and an EQ, plent ins and outs for just about anything. The only thing missing are FX, which is easily solved.

I too use the CM-30 cube pair in certian situations and they do work. I had a 50th recently where I played in 2 different rooms. I had the pair in the first room, and the Bose in what I thought was the main room. What they didn't tell me ahead of time was when the dinner was over, I was to go back into the first room, with the CM-30's. They got the job done, but the Bose has the much better sound quality. It's like driving a Mercedes verses a Honda. They'll both get you there, but with the first one, you'll enjoy the journey so much more.

Joe



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Joe Ayala

Joe, I think that was an EXCELLENT comparison of Bose and the CM-30's. I think it applies to just about any comparison of musical equipment and tastes. Some are good enough, some are great and some are fantastic. Who's to say what is best for another's needs and wants.

I have a pair of CM30's, an L1 Classic, and an L1 Compact used with a Tonematch mixer. I too like the CM30's, but not against either Bose.

Thank you all for the good recommendations!

That's pretty much a given, Joe. The Mercedes COSTS a lot more than the Honda

Same with the Bose... But for a potentially cash strapped church (news reports indicate that, in the financial crisis we are in, donations and offerings are going down noticeably) recommending the MOST expensive option may not be doing the best service to their church. If something 20% of the cost of the Bose will get the job done adequately, perhaps they could use the money they would save for something else they need, too?

If your job is to ferry souls to the Lord, does it really MATTER if you ferry them in a Honda or a Mercedes, as long as they get there?

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We have decided to go for a Bose L1 Compact and a Mackie ProFX12 Professional Compact Mixer after an audition at the local Guitar Center. It really is a Mercedes! Thank you all for good suggestions.

Great choice, God's work deserves the best!

I too think your church made a good sound decision.

Cass no pun intended, eh?

Great move. In all of my work with churches, which is extensive, good sound is a must. We can tolerate less than great video, but good sound is a part of our lives and churches need to step up to the plate.

Joe

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Joe Ayala

Shiju: forgot to tell you that GC was able to match any online prices. They did that for me several times. I printed out the prices and they verified it online. Did you do that ? it can save lots of money. Also i think they give special discounts for non-profit org such as churches.

I showed them prices from music123.com which usually has good pricing. They matched it. The only thing is I have to pay sales tax which washed out considering shipping costs. But with the ease of mind of the generous return policy - it was more than a bargain. GC still rules big time for big money purchases. I think you guys really did good.

Let us know how the sounds turn out once you installed it in your church.

We are buying 2 right now, first one for $999 and the second one with a 10% discount (both with no taxes). Also we are getting a good discount for all other accessories.