Hard to stop being a Diki when you can't stop being a Fran

Your complete lack of knowledge about the depth of Korg programming basically puts you in no position to draw any parallel to the G70's editing. There simply is no comparison whatsoever. And sorry, but i DO say this from experience and having read all the manuals, something that is pretty obvious you haven't. I have a G70 and a Triton (on which the PA series is based). There's fewer PARAMETERS that you can edit in a G70 voice than there are PAGES in the Korg's manuals detailing all the different things you can adjust. Velocity split points of individual oscillators, for instance (up to five, at least in the PA1X). Extensive editing of pitch envelopes (none whatsoever of either in the G70).

And don't get me started about User Drum Kits. You can't even MAKE a user Drum Kit on the G70, let alone edit the drum sounds themselves like you can on a Korg.

I'm sorry, but calling the G70 the equal of the Korg in these regards is no more accurate than saying the G70 is as good at voice editing as the MS is (or that the MS is a good arranger)...

And sorry, but the clunky workarounds for calling up a User Tone in the G70 is simply unacceptable. Remember, there is NO WAY to simply call up ONE. Let's say you have an edited synth lead sound in one UPG. Tell me how to bring this into another UPG without changing ALL the sounds... If you freeze the style and arranger parameters, and call up the UPG with the edited tone in, it replaces ALL your Keyboard sounds. This is unacceptable for live usage. Well, unacceptable for me. You don't seem to have a problem!

And sorry, you'll find me one of the happiest people on the planet... except when I have to listen to ill-informed self appointed 'experts' spouting complete misinformation on this forum. I don't mind admitting when another arranger has my personal choice well and truly beat at a certain aspect of operation. And this one, I'm sad to say, is certainly one of those...

G70 sound editing is as bare bones as you can get.

By the way, was that the ghost of John DiLeo I heard chiming in?

DIKI......

Hi Diki.



Yep, but don't forget OS 2.0. Everything was expanded free of charge to 16 OSC's / 16 of everything with that update.

Regards
James

Yep... OS2 only adds to what was an already comprehensive editing capability.

But the depth of Fran's involvement in clearing this up is my name? Not even a 'whoops, my bad!'...? Typical. Lie like a dog (OK, make misinformed statements like an 'expert', OK? ), then make jokes when you're busted on it.

FRAN....

John Dileo did tell me Diki is a fake and the biggest BS'er ever... on SZ.....

and he wouldn't lie...

Not even about who he was...

Look, all I'm trying to point out is that you can't make patently incorrect statements like that, and NOT have someone who actually DOES know about it to not call you out (you might have noticed I'm not the only one disagreeing with you, here ). There's a certain responsibility to not perpetuate BS on this forum, and calling the G70 the Korg's equal in the voice editing department certainly qualified as that!

Now, I'll go along with any statement about the G70's superiority in doing quick style and SMF editing. No doubt about that one! But give credit where it is due. No other arranger (apart from your mysteriously silent MS) has a fraction of the voice editing power of the Korg's...

BTW, just got my backup G70 from Vince today... along with a few SRX cards. Trying out the SR-G01 right now, not very impressed other than a few basses. I'll put the SRX-07 in tomorrow. Only thing better than a G70 is TWO G70's!

Ask John DiLeo... he wouldn't lie

Fran,
Are you reading version 2 manuals..the ones that have all the info on DNC sound functions?

There are 3 manuals. Users manual V2.01, Song book editor V1.3 and Advanced Edit (includes all the sound editing and sample mode V2.0. A total of over 480 pages.

Anyone that has not designed and built their own sound including DNC functions and created or heavily edited/changed a style on the PA2XPRO with V2 of the software does not understand the total functionality of this instrument.

Lee S.

I can state only one thing and i think i have enough experience in all this synths that you
mentioned above...G70 dont have even 70% of the abilities of what PA2X offers...YAMAHA not worth
to mention at all, Audya...i am about to cry, MS is same thing, take into consideration everything,
not just how open it is but many other factors as time, easy of use and else. Synths like PA series,
PSR series, the G series, Ketron SD series, Motif series and Triton series is machines that i own or
owned and each one i know by heart to the last parameter, the only machines that i can compare
the PA2Xpro in SOUND EDIT COMPLEXITY is MOTIF, TRITON or FANTOM, nothing else.
Lets be real, Ketron doesnt even have FX onboard...yes they do but they dont even affect the sound
at all, its funny, YAMAHA...everything has to be done thru stupid XG while Korg, everything and
anything you do with a software is all possible on the synth. I dont wanna get into details but since
i know all these machine i can sit down and write a full comparison on all of them by point.
If really read the PA2X manual he will understan...and half of it probably is not even there...

And please do not say its a cut down version of EDS, someone who doesnt know the machine can
only say that. It is the M3 into an arranger -KARMA, i own both and i know both by heart.
There is not a single different parameter in sound edit besides KARAM...FX are all the same,
routing is all the same, quality is all the same with one difference that PA2x has only 5FX processors.

Topics like this get me excited in a good way, i just wish everyone would know and understand
tha full capability of Korgs EDs and HI engine
like some of us in here do...