Fran ... from one 'quad state' (NY, NJ, PA, CT) paisano to another: "you ain't goin' nowhere, unnerstan'?!?!?" .... 'cause we're family, here, see, and family don't always get along, but the LOVE is still there, see?!? ...

Now, ya got ya show of support here, so stick around....
t.

PS ... and Donny, that goes for you too !!!
t.

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Its sad, people should try not to play or take it personally.... not in real life and not on the web...

But most of the time we barely succeed at that...

It would be sad if you leave this place, i always vallued your opinions very high.

I hope that you'll come back on these words after a short break from this place... All these kind words overhere should indicate that you will allways welcome back overhere.

Friggin' amazing... You can dish it out, but you can't take it?

If everyone that you have insulted, taken a dig at, made a snide remark to, insulted their arranger choice, hidden important flaws from, taken their help from and then turned around and denied it (and all the other things you have done in your years here), turned around and left in a huff with their ball, there wouldn't be much of a membership left.

Go, or leave, your choice... but don't for one minute think that the reason you are leaving isn't one that you haven't given to MANY people here, and they showed greater spine and perseverance. I could have left many times for the vile and personal things that some idiots here think is their right to say, but haven't. I have NEVER insulted you in as personal a fashion as even you yourself think it is OK to do. But it is YOU that think you've had enough.

Like I said, stay or go, your choice. But you won't hear me apologize for things I've said when you have NEVER apologized for your words. You can't have it both ways. If you can dish it out, you have to be able to take it...

I am sorry, but a 'blowhard' in my book is someone that posts utter BS, can't back it up with any music that proves his point, then walks off in a huff when everyone doesn't kowtow to his unquestioned correctness. I'm not right all the time, but when someone corrects me, I don't sulk.

There is only one thing more nauseating than the cliché of the grand exit online. And that is the all the "please don't go" posts the act is always intended to solicit.

Well I read Fran's post and I read Diki's post and I am sure I must have something to say to one or both but I'll be damned if I can think of what it could possibly be.
I guess for once in my life I am speechless.
Maybe I am worn out with the SJ too
Bebop

Look, I'm not trying to flog a dead horse here, but I have a question... WHY?

Has Fran ever posted any music that gave any indication that his opinion had any basis in reality? Just exactly what ARE anyone's criteria for 'valuing' an opinion..? Is it that he says things you already believe to be true, or is it simply the 'tone' of the post?

I know perhaps I'm going to get called elitist, here, but personally, I tend to 'value' opinions from those that have demonstrated they actually DO know what they are talking about. And I don't care whether I agree or disagree with their points, but at least they have shown that, if they are talking about making music on an arranger, and aspects thereof, that they actually CAN make music on an arranger that sounds better than a complete beginner.

Is that expecting too much? Am I being too harsh?

BTW, Seamaster, I wish I had your brevity (and so does most of the membership, I bet! )

Maybe you ought to take a look at the thread (or threads) that Fran is getting worked up about. Make your own mind up if he is being 'bullied' or not. Personally, if I spout utter nonsense and post complete falsehoods, I EXPECT to get called on it. If I post music that sounds terrible, after assuming the mantle of 'expert', I don't expect a pat on the back for it. I expect someone to go 'WTF are you talking about?!'

Fran does NOT post as a newbie. If he did, he wouldn't get the responses he does. But he hands out information as if he is the expert, and much of it is patently false. On top of that, the only time he posts any music not riddled with mistakes and bad sound is when he posts an SMF that someone else did (and try to quietly pass it off as his work), and even then he screws the sound up... Once again, all acceptable for a newbie (except the SMF part!), but Fran passes himself off as some kind of guru...

What are we supposed to do? Sit around circle jerking each other, or is this forum supposed to take the giving of advice and making operational pronouncements to less experienced players seriously? I couldn't seriously recommend this forum to ANYONE, beginner or more advanced player, if complete falsehoods and terrible playing from those that 'claim' a degree of experience are simply allowed to go uncommented, and with a pat on the back to boot...

What impression does it give of US? That we are so stupid we don't even recognize BS when we hear it?

I love Diki's posts. Mostly, I love his unswerving devotion to the total destruction of bullsh-t. However, if there were no bullsh-t for him to destroy, what would become of that wonderful prose that so stirs our passions? That's where Fran comes in.....and that is why we need Fran on this forum. I hope I have stated my case well.

Chas


PS: Of course Seamaster is right, but who cares. Deep down, Fran is a nice guy (by Philly standards). He just hangs with a bad crowd (can you spell John D). And not to worry, he'll be back. He's just waiting for the right 'pissin' contest to start up (hopefully involving Roland and Yamaha ).

Oh won't you stay-ay-ay, just a little bit longer...

Fran, you can come and go as you please. So we'll leave the light on...

And thank you for all the good advice you have given me - it's been worthless, er priceless!

Love you, man.

Hi Fran
Yes, I think we all know who they are.......so why don't we all IGNORE their inappropriate remarks and whenever we see their name attached to the post, just IGNORE it....life is too short
As I have written before, there are a lot of 'so-called' entertainers out there with only testosterone as their motivation.........


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