I agree with you too. I only made a joke to attempt to relieve the tension in the thread.

I know Hammer very well. He does NOT need to look for cracked software--he can buy the whole music store if he wants to.
He made a mistake and tried to keep us from making one too. Thanks Deane.
DonM

Amen, Don.

It doesn't matter how or why Deane made the mistake. He reported it to us and many stomped on him insensitively, IMHO. Maybe he's not as internet savy as you assume. Whatever the case, it was the TONE of the collective admonishments that was dowright rude.

I agree with Don Mason. Hammer said he was unfamiliar with EMC styleworks hence he might not know the true value. I would give him the benefit of the doubt. From what I have seen on this forum Dean is not the type of guy who would "steal" pirated software. I have paid money in the past for demo versions of software so $5.00 could have been a demo for all I know. If he were such a person I don't think he would have posted the warning to us at SZ. Yes he made a mistake but I believe his intentions were to protect fellow SZer's. So my 2 cents is forgive and forget. Cheers!Brian

Irishacts...Sharp

I'm really supprised with Your Harsh Attitude coming out on this Forum!...I Would think One who Produces Sampled Keyboard Products for Sale,and a Internet Business Person could and would want to conduct themself more Professionally...These People on this Forum and People reading could be Potential Customers!...It Sure Does not make GOOD Business sense to Me...

Not a Good Way to "Win Friends and influence People"....Dale Carniegie

Harold

Diki,

Your wrong man - I didn't try to "steal" anything. The site offered a product in which I have a passing interest for a price. Paying for something is not stealing it. I wonder how many members here have searched for a good deal on a product they want to try - or do you just go out and pay whatever price is offered to you? Once again, there are folks reading into posts things that are not there.

Later,
Hammer

Hi Harold.
Here's my problem with all this and why I said what I did.

1: He went to a website that clearly mentions cracked software on every page.
2: The membership benefits listed on the website clearly mention every form of pirate software / movie / media going.
3: If you search for any program it will be listed as fully cracked software in the title.
4: There is porn all over the webiste pages.
5:..... look I think you get the point, there's clear indications at every turn what the website is offering and that it's ALL illegal.

I'm not calling the guy a liar or a thief. I'm simply saying, what else did he expect, and that I also have absolutely no sympathy for him. How anyone could miss so many signs and not even read what it says on the website before entering in their credit card details defies belief.



I have never been anything but myself online and I don't think there is anyone here that can question my good intentions for my fellow musicians regardless of what I said in this thread. If anything I think I've even tried to watch out for the guy by suggesting he get the thread removed. I've actually done this for him over on KORG Forum since I own that site, which is again justy more prof that I'm not a trouble maker looking for a fight or to just rip someone apart. You would have to go along way to find someone who as done so much good work for so many online as I have.



Read it , great book.

Sincerely
James.

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Hammer,

Thank you for warning us about this.

My advice is to watch your replacement credit card's billing - I have found out that most credit cards will put the recurring electronic billing charges to the new card (replacing the cancelled one). You may be forced to dispute those charges every month, and have to contact the charging company to stop this fraud.

A few years ago I had my credit card stolen and promptly canceled it and replaced with a new one (new number). and someone had billed their 5 AOL accounts to it. While the 1st month' charges were only $125, the following month they started billing the remote access (AOL used to charge per minute), to the tune of $300-400 per acct per month. I would dispute one month's charge only to see a new month's bill with even more charges. In total I had nearly $60,000 in these fraudulent charges, until I finally got through to AOL and got them to reverse the charges. In the process I had to file an Internet fraud form with FBI, and have a long and fruitless argument with AmEx about the merits of canceling a lost card if they are going to carry over and approve the electronically posted charges on the replacement one anyway.

Good luck

Okay, so hammmer tried to download a dodgy bit of software. He's an individual, he's a big boy, he can make his own choices. We all live or die by our own choices in life, don't we?

Some people here are all over him for those choices, BUT, he also chose to give out a warning about a dangerous website. He didn't create that website, he merely got sucked in by it. Are we all so astute and on-the-ball all the time that we've never been seduced by a some smooth spiel in the past, even though the 'red flags' were there? Come on, be honest about that. Hah, thought not.

Having been stung, hammer chose to give out a warning about what turned out to be a bad experience for him. He didn't HAVE to do that. He CHOSE to. Was that a bad choice, too?

This is the website to EMC Style Works, they now have Styleworks XT. I guess it newer than Styleworks 2000. I believe that its in germany.

if you want to deal with someone from the states, www.ketronus.com also sells them.
http://www.emc-musicsoftware.de/viashop/storefront/start.asp

good luck