Hi all,

Drumremix has removed all the pages he put on KETRON for the OS3, was there ever a OS3 in the planning, it's a big jump from 2.0C to 3.. AJ has never posted a thread or answered one for some time, I know most people don't look at the KETRON site, but does anyone know what is going on, if you look on YOUTUBE there are only a few more addition using Audya the KETRON flagship, or TITANIC.

I have a direct email address for someone in KETRON Italy and he has stopped answering my email
complaints, perhaps there is a OS3 cure all the problems in one go, AH AH AH AH.
just around the corner???

[This message has been edited by Tony Hughes (edited 09-05-2009).]

I can't answer for Ketron, but in Italy, The country practically shuts down for August. So you should start hearing from them soon.


I hope

Audya is still under development, in a year or more it must be a great sounding arranger.

But for now ....


Tough i remember PA2x and G70 release and many people not being happy at all with their new tools.

The only one that seems being able to build a system thats reliable on release day is Yamaha. But then T3 is still where T2 was 3 years ago, and people seem to get bored with those yamahaha's very fast...


I am sure that when OS 3.0 for Audya releases it will be a major step forward. Sadly i think that Ketron needs atleast one or 2 more versions to have the product where it should have been at release.

Ketron Italy takes most of August off. OS Version 3.0 is for real, as I have a beta copy of it, but I cannot share it.
I should have another Audya is about a week. I'm told the latest shipment left there by ship a few days ago.
DonM

Don,

If you have a beta of 3.0 is there much difference and have KETRON sorted all the problems out, any ideas when 3.0 will be in the public domain, do you think it's worth hanging on to my KB until 3.0 is available, I think people are hanging back buying Audya for this reason, what the hell do the Italians do for a month in Aug, isn't just as hot in the states in August, I’d take some work home if the company had problems. Why do you think Drumremix took the 8 displays off the Ketron SZ all a bit cloak and dagger to me. I wish Ferrari made arrangers. Incidentally I have loaned my Audya to a friend who has found all the problems I have, when I got it back I have started to press the screen on the Audya to open the menus got use to the Pa2x screen already only had it a week, must be the old brain!!

Regards


Regards

'Have they sorted out all the problems?'...

What problems? We don't get too many actual owners here willing to discuss what might not be working too well, at the moment.

Anyone thinking of getting one of these would probably be VERY interested in your unvarnished experience...

My Audya had a problem with the soundboard. It started emitting a loud squeal under all conditions.
I installed 3.0, which I got from AJ, in an attempt to see if that would fix it, but it obviously was a hardware problem.
Since the new OS didn't fix the problem, I didn't spend any more time with it until I got the replacement. I elected to wait for the new shipment of keyboards to arrive from Italy.
I didn't get a chance to see much of what 3.0 addressed. It did have new styles loaded and from what I could tell, allowed the use of dim and aug chords with the audio guitars. It was hard to hear over the squeal.
This was the second Audya I received that was damaged. Both were shipped via UPS and both had holes in the side of the carton.
I took pictures of both boxes. On the second one you could actually see the music rack showing through the hole.
I don't know if this caused the problem, but I wouldn't ship a ball bearing by UPS.
DonM

Unless the new OS came with hundreds of MB of new sound ROM to add to the HD (at least 2/3rd of what is already there, being maj, min and 7th), I don't think you are actually getting dim and aug from the audio guitars (in fact, it was reported that the guitar loops are ROM, not RAM loops - that's still just drums, AFAIK), but there's a possibility that they might have tweaked the MIDI guitars to be a better match, volume and timbre-wise, to the audio loops they go with. A definite positive, anyway...

I can't see Ketron adding this ability without trumpeting it wildly...

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I remember when I briefly owned the Solton X1. It was used, but under warranty. I had to ship it back three times. It was ridiculous. On the second time, when I took the keyboard out of the box, a couple of loose screws came out with it. The third time, they said they were sending me a brand new refurbished keyboard. It played perfectly, but had a gargantuan scratch on it. They said, "Take it or leave it. That's the best you're going to get when you bought the keyboard used in the first place."

I'll stick with Yamaha, but I admire folks who dance around with different models.

Beakybird

Anybody wants to know about issues or problems with the Audya, please give me a call.

I'll answer any and all questions

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203.876.1133

This link is faulty too!

If you know what the faults are just post them here!



[This message has been edited by Tony Hughes (edited 09-06-2009).]

Now I feel bad for slamming a brand that Frank sells. Frank is selling me 2 PSR-S910's when they come out.

That incident with the X1 took place 9 years ago.

One good thing about the X1 where Yamaha still hasn't caught up were the drum sounds. I hope Ketron gets their customer service act together - and their OS too.

Beakybird

Here's the link. The other had the phone number attached. www.AudioworksCT.com
DonM

I'm a dealer in California for Ketron, Yamaha, Korg, Roland and Casio Arrangers.
One of my problems with all the X series of products was that when you unscrewed all the screws necessary to open the keyboard, if you aren't careful putting back the screws, the plastic would crack where the screws are going into. I always wished they would use metal inserts in the posts but they never changed this. So if a repair shop isn't careful the screws would be left in the wholes without actually going into anything more then a loose piece of plastic and many times I would see keyboards with several missing screws. The good news is that there are so many screws that you might not miss any of the ones which fell out!
In the past I have had more customers with Solton and Ketron products experiencing problems, more so then the other product brands, but not since the SD5 has come out. I think Ketron has learned a lot from past issues and as all good companies do, they learn and make corrections. There used to be a lot of loose connections and circuit boards that would come loose but I'm pretty sure these problems have been corrected over the years.
It is amazing to me that the shop I use for repairs has a sign on their wall that says " all repairs done on Ketron products have no warranty". I've never seen this at any shop before. They only have this posted for Ketron and Generalmusic products. This tells me they must have issues with customers after the repairs have been made or else this sign wouldn't be posted.


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Beakybird,

You can say anything you want, don't worry. I always tell my customers the truth on any product I sell.

As for the Audya, I have asked a couple of times to be a beta tester for Audya OS releases.

I have even modified my Audya to make it hot swappable hard drive.



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Frank why have you done this

Regards

I suggest you answer them here. On the record, as it were.

I realized which many of us here have, that the transfer speeds using USB connection is fine for a couple of midi files and a few mp3s. But I have thousands of midi files, and a full DJ sets.

So with this modification, I can accomplish 2 things, not only am I able to direct connect to the hard drive and load the drive 10 times faster with anything I like, I can also make a back-up drive that at anytime can be swapped in case of any type of hard drive failure, which is sure to happen eventually to any drive, and especially to one that will be used so much.



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frankie,

can you post a pic of your "modification"

sounds like a great idea to me (being able to quickly swap drive $ transfer files

they really need to make that usb 2.0
1.1 doesn't cut it...

I think that will never happen as it would require a hardware update (Probably the motherboard as i suppose the USB chipset will be onthere)

Audya will be stuck with 1.1

Hi All,


I think USB 2 came out in 1999 what the hell are Ketron doing installing USB 1 on a KB launched in 2009 they are 10 years out of date, perhaps it will take another 10 years to get the Audya right. History has a bad habit of repeating it's self, the Audya is missing a floppy??

All you wanna know about USB. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus
DonM

i have a feeling...
AUDYA will eventually get USB 2.0
there are other reasons besides hardware which do not permit the 2.0 speed

Hello from Portugal.

1st:
DrumRemix makes a mistaque , he can not put in Internet Confidential Info.

We , the beta Testers , are now testing a 3.0 beta release.

Ketron Labs release the 2.0C version at the same time they close to Holidays.
Now they return and start working on the upgrade.
The only thing i can tell you is that its a fantastic upgrade , lots of things will be improoved and new features will be added.
The most exciting feature for us in Portugal will be the USER AUDIO DRUMS , that give us possibilities of create or in Studio with a good drummer or in VST drum software , the WAV drum parts to play in styles or with midifiles with the Drum Remix option.

Only end of this mounth or next mounth the new release will be avaiable.

As you can see , Ketron listen to the people and are working hard to give to all costumers what they want.
But you must understand that Ketron Labs is not Yamaha , ketron are 1000 x smaller than yamaha.

USB connections are 1.1 for now.
in my opinion is not good , but for now we must wait.

Best regards from portugal

F.C.
Ketron portugal www.fcmusica.com www.ketronaudya.wordpress.com

hello Fernando,

it was nice to have met you in Portugal,
thanks for taking the time to talk about AUDYA, and letting me play it.

all i can say is that it must me played to be appreciated,
demos are good, but you must play it
it really felt like i had a band behind me

i really enjoyed the lunch too with you and your wife, and friend,
great fish and kick ass wine, which i can't find here :-(
you guys know how to live it up (2 hr lunches, i'm so jealous)

the AUDYA will get so much better when we have our own drum loops streaming, with OS 3.0, that will make it really OVER THE TOP, no other arranger can do it, and AUDYA will,,, loving it.....

have to start saving :-)

[This message has been edited by leezone (edited 09-08-2009).]

Once again I don't recomend this, it will void your warranty.




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[This message has been edited by frankieve (edited 09-08-2009).]

wow, that's hot,
now that's hot-swappable,
you're all set

that's the way they should have built it
easy access to Hard Drive

KETRON, maybe you can redisign that bottom plate of keyboard,

i mean it's so cheap to have a backup copy of HD, and in case of Crash, just swap HD, done !!!

way to go frankie

Thanks,

I'm sure things like this will soon make it to the Audya, I just hope they call it the Frankie Caddy or something

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they should just have it like on my G-70
you know where you insert your SR card...
plate with 4 screws, easy
drop plate remove HD

and they should make the new (upcoming) sound/ram chip/board easy to access too


i mean the most BASIC things are left out,
come on KETRON....

Nicely done Frank

That will probably void the warranty I think I'll wait a while before tending to such drastic measures. I'm confident that my hard drive won't malfunction and the USB 1 speed is not an issue for me personally.

Dear Fernando, no brother, they are not listening to anyone, what they are doing is
things that were supposed to be there at first place on a 5000$ machine so dont be
too gratefull to them. This is a MUST, they HAVE to do it, it is not listening to us but it
is what the HAD to do at first place. You will see what happens after they complete it,
you will never hear anything for the Audya again...please lets be and stay realistic.

I completely agree, DO NOT DO THIS TO YOUR AUDYA, I just tend to be a little anal about having back-ups, and I can't stand how slow USB 1 is. I believe it's almost as fast as a floppy drive

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Nedim,

Ketron does listen MUCH MORE than any other of the big 3, Roland, Korg, Yamaha...

i think Fernando knows this first hand (per his trip to KETRON Italy's factory)
http://ketronaudya.wordpress.com/

Lee, if i owed you 500$ and i gave it back to you that doesnt mean i did a favor to you.
That means i SIMPLY HAD to give it back to you, sam as Ketron with Audya in this case.
Listening is when you have a 100% complete machine like the PA2X and then adding new things.

Lee,

What do you think about the audya now after spending sometime with it?

How are the portuguese styles, marcha & malhaos on the audya vs. xd9 or sd5?

Do find that there is more pros vs. cons on the audya? I know people just love to bash Ketron, but is the keyboard living up to the so called hype?

thanks,
Mario

Pequenas deve ser bom, eficiente e bonito e KETRON não é.
Eu sei que você não pode dizer que é barato e desagradável - é caro e desagradável

Small should be good, efficient and beautiful and KETRON is not.

I know you can’t say Audya is cheap and nasty -it’s expensive and nasty.

Frank,

Thanks for the photos not for me - it looks like a hammer and chisel job to me, put the drive in a caddy and modify the cables, less damage to the Audya - there's was enough damage done to the Audya at KETRON

Hands don't look they have seen much hard work - but I bet they can knock out a nice tune or two!

Regards
Tony

[This message has been edited by Tony Hughes (edited 09-08-2009).]

I thought about that, but I was wanted it to be sealed again if needed.

Also without actually doing any kind of testing, I wasn't sure if I modified or got a longer cable would I be changing any kind of time transfer data, which I'm sure I wouldn't, but just wanted to be sure.

And yes, I have missed my calling to be a hand model.

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Steady on Frank this is a family show!!!

The trouble with this statement is that Ketron are MORE expensive than Yamaha. If I am going to get 1000X smaller response, I'd like to get it with 1000X smaller price, too

I'd like to point out that, although it is a pain to use USB1 when you have to deal with audio files, when it comes to HD backup, there's nothing to stop you from doing it overnight. it's not exactly something you are going to do every day. I doubt many HD users here at SZ back up even every WEEK Month? Maybe...

So, you hook up your arranger to the laptop or PC before you go to bed, hit 'Go', and wake up with the job done. What's the big deal?

Until OS3 comes out, and you have user audio loops, and the sampler up and running properly, all you need to backup are MIDI files and style files. Small fry...

when user audio loops are available in OS 3.0

it will open up SO MANY possibilities

what other arranger will allow you to have your VERY OWN audio loops for your VERY OWN types of music? NONE...

that will be a HUGE step in the right direction

Just don't get TOO enthusiastic about this capability. For one thing, it is streaming of just ONE loop at a time, you are not going to be able to stream multiple loops (like you would need for guitar loops, or separate breakbeat loops from the drum track, etc.)...

And it's not going to chord follow.

But the thing for me is, there aren't that many drum loop libraries out there that are laid out like arranger styles. Sure, you can find maybe four loops that increase in intensity (sometimes) and you can find fill loops that connect them (sometimes), but you rarely ever get Intro or Ending loops that work well as needed.

I mean, they have had this capability on the SD-1 for quite a while. But how many Ketron users make all their own audio drum tracks (other than maybe ethnic musics poorly represented by ROM styles)..?

i am getting excited because drums is the heart and soul of any style...
the drums on AUDYA sound very live,
and soon we will be able to have ANY live drum loop, that is something to be excited about

but if you think Drums aren't that important then get yourself a Tyros3 :-)

We already have a machine like that, at least 9 years before Audya, started with PA80 which today is
still way ahead of Audya in its advancement. Now we finally have PA2X which has 256 MB RAM which
is 6 times more then Audya and how advanced it is it will be embarassing to compare Audya to it.



One does, way better, more advanced and most of all 6 times more space for the Loops, PA2X.

You can bash or anything at my but i think i was fair and objective enough.

Point of fact... ANY arranger with a sampler.

PA1, PA2, T2, T3, Wersi OAS, Mediastation, probably forgotten a few more

The thing is, there's a big gap between capability and execution. Just as making a style is hard, finding JUST the right loops for a complete style is not easy. Then going through all the OS BS that doing this is going to be is also a major PITA.

But it's not a new capability by any means.

the fact is that the KETRON Drums are in a league of their own...

and if all those other arrangers can stream live drum loops as can the AUDYA, why do they sound like a tin can ?? (ie. Tyros3)

I think you must go to school again......NEDIM

You tell that the 256Mb Ram memory to loops in Pa2x are 6 x more than the 80Gb Hard Disk from Audya????
Ok , we must remove almost 14Gb , its the system folder , you have almost 65GB available to Put Audio Drum Loops ......In Audya....
Yes , audya will play USER AUDIO DRUMS LOOPS direct from HD in Real Time Streaming.....

I think first of all that you dont now nothing about Ketron History and principal markets.....
And you dont like this brand....
You love Korg , and you want that Ketron became a Korg clone....

I hope this never happens......

Because , Ok , for Arab markets or other electronic music markets , maybe Korg is good , but for Latin / Acustic Markets , forget Korg.....Its plastic sounds and "Songoku" styles....

For example , in my opinion , Tyros 3 are Miles and miles away from Pa2x.....
But for Latin Markets also is not good , because arranger section is to much "Plastic" sonority....

If you like ketron , good.....
If no , no problem , Japonese Brands must also sell Keyboards , they have big problems with this mundial crisis.....You must help thems....


About USB.
One Question i ask...
How many keyboards are using USB 2.0 ?

To Tony Hughes:
I think you have a problem with Ketron , but i dont now what is the problem , and i dont have free time to search.
I`m not Ketron owner , i respect this brand and i work with this brand from 22 Years ago , because this brand allways give me all that i need to do my business and win my money , and what i have from Ketron , no other brand never give me.

I have my opinions , and i write all off them in my Blog , you write some words in Portuguese , maybe you can read my blog and see that i allways say my opinions there.

Here in Portugal everything are normal with us and Ketron , i dont know what happens in other countrys , and is not my problem...


To DIKI:
I dont agree with you.....
And about YAMAHA , i ask you a simple question.....
I dont Like the sonority of Tyros keyboards....
Are to much plastic or electronic to my LATIN market.....
But i LOVE Yamaha MotifXs.....Fantastic Keyboard , Fantastic sounds , fantastic arpeggiator....
Yamaha have "Know How" , they have an Empire , Why they produce a Tyros 3 with that "Sondoku" sonority in arranger section?
Its so dificult to put the fantastic sound technologie of MotifXs inside an arranger Keyboard?
Tyros 3 for example have technologie that ketron use in X1 , 10 years ago.....Why???

Its easy tell......Ketron Audya Price is too High....
Ok , it is in my opinion.....They will sell 2 or 3 times more if in europe the price goes from 4000€ to 3000€....
But Audya uses Modern technologie....
Pa2x works on the same board of Pa1x.....almost 10 years ago technologie...
Tyros3 works on the same board from Tyros 1 ....Almost 10 years ago technologie.....

Ketron Boards are assembled in Italy , Japonese brands Boards are assembled in China.....
The cost of prodution are lots different....

If you dont have money to buy , i respect you...


Bye

Sorry for my bad english

F.C

[This message has been edited by fc_xander (edited 09-09-2009).]

with OS 3.0
with expandable HD (500GB +)
with expandable RAM, sound board (perhaps 1GB or 2GB)
with user audio drum loops
with more Super voices
with more audio guitar loops
with pattern/style editing

and much of this is on the way...

the AUDYA will be hard to beat...




[This message has been edited by leezone (edited 09-09-2009).]

I have to say, the Audya does make me think twice about how they put this together with certain things that just seem outdated or old.

But when I gig, I always grab the Audya out of the Tyros 3, and Pa2xpro. Not saying I don't like the others but I feel the Audya has a very good musically feel on their styles, and their mix seems to work just right.

I do appreciate the Pa2xpro and what it can do, but I always find mh way back to the Audya.

Hopefully with some newer styles and sounds, and new updates and upgrades, it will be closer and maybe even surpass it's price tag

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bravo

You are waaaaaayyyyyy of beat and waayyy wrong. Trust me, i know what ROM and ROM is
probably WAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better then you. We are not taling about HD size in here
but pure RAM which is needed to play the loops and on the AUDYA is only 46-47 MB.
Can you prove me wrong??? I would love so but you have no way in hell of doing that.
Another point, i really dont care what Audya brings tomorow, i see what it is today, Audya
is bringing something for the last 3 years but nothing is happening yet.
PA2X is already in history with everything on it...only 3000$...and i think you are in love
with Ketron or you own it...i dont really care about Korg or Ketron, all i care is which one is
better and which one suits my needs first. You are a salesman, you got stuck with Audya
not knowing what to do and you must act this way but i am not stuck with any of them.
I just go by WHATS BEST!

And also, i would love to find ONE SINGLE HAPPY
user with AUDYA but not Frank and FCMUSICA.
They are salesmen, they wont say anything bad about it. All of the users i know with Audya
none is happy and every single one of them has problems till today. My friends from MRSound
sold 2 of them and both users are suicidal.Tony is the third one, i know another 4-5 users which
are not on the forum, they are even worst cases. And FC, this has nothing to do with Arabic music.
Ketron can only DREAM about Middle Eastern music, i am just saying in general. How the hell in
the world you sell a 5000$ machine called Arranger with no Style Editor. You gotta be kidding me.
You selling me a tractor trailer with no trailer? Oh we'll give you one later but pay for it now.
It doesnt work like that...trust me, i know Ketrons market too, probably better then you cuz i dont
deal only with Portuguese people or only with Middle Eastern. For your info no, i am not Arabic,
maybe you got the wrong idea from some of my demos and now you think all i know is the Arabic
world and music. lets be and stay real about this and stop talking what will Audya bring but lets
see what we have on the table now.
Next year i am getting a 100 000$ project but right now i dont have money for rent...
what difference in my life does next years 100 grant make in my life?

NADA!

Or as they say in my country:
Dont die Donkey till green grass is out!

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Nedim,

I do tell my customers everything, I also make more money selling a Korg or Yamaha discounted, before selling an Audya full price.

I do agree with you, the Audya was either released too early or was not designed completely. The price tag is very steep also, but just like a Mercedes, Land Rover, Chevrolet, Honda, they all have their buyers, they all have their problems.

I have bought plenty of things that I regret, but atleast with the Audya, it seems that Ketron is constantly working on enhancing, updating, upgrading or what have you, just like Korg does, at no charge, Yamaha tends to charge for what extras come out, but it's still nice to know that whatever you bought is still being added on to.

And Nedim I thought you were Irish

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Yeah...with my pitch black hair...Frank, i understand you and you are right but how much
damage it will do to Ketron untill they fix it? Thats my point. I cant start a set of sounds
today and start selling it right away but tell customers you will recieve it next year.

Nedim you said:

"We are not talking about HD size in here
but pure RAM which is needed to play the loops and on the AUDYA is only 46-47 MB.
Can you prove me wrong??? I would love so but you have no way in hell of doing that."

with all due respect and not to take sides,
but Fernando @ FCMUSICA is right on this one,
the AUDYA DOES NOT use RAM for it's audio DRUM loops,
in fact, it uses about 11GB of HD space streaming in REALTIME,
that is a FACT, and facts are facts


i don't think PA2X or any KORG or ANY other arranger have anywhere near 11GB of drum samples/loops (with another 60GB+ free for USER)

but maybe i don't know what i am talking about...

hey Frank....that looks like the same thing the Mediastation already has underneath?....did you get the idea from that KB?....nice job BTW!

what Fernando @ FCMUSICA is saying is that:

PA2X has 256 MB RAM,
AUDYA has 11GB of DRUMS, and about 50GB free for more

I never said they can stream live loops. You have to load them into the sampler first. But yes, once you do that, they can sound IDENTICAL to an Audya. You could actually take the audio loops off an Audya and use them in your Tyros, if you wanted to.

BUT... as I said, simply having the capability isn't enough. Someone has to make the loops. And the majority of loop libraries available don't really lay things out the same way that arrangers are going to need them. Especially with regard to Intros and Endings. Those rarely exist in loop libraries.

You've also got to take into consideration that Ketron kept a very consistent kit sound for most of their styles, lending a cohesiveness to the whole thing that many have commented that it helps to have such evenness. You buy commercial loops, they are ALL going to be different, different volumes, different EQ balances, etc..

The thing is, I find it very telling that the majority of SD-1 users didn't use this feature extensively when it was a part of the SD-1 OS. If it were THAT easy to do, and loops were easy to find and match, you would have thought that a LOT more people would have done it... You would have thought that a plethora of third party loop makers would have produced sets optimized for the SD-1.. You would have thought that their would already exist a HUGE library of styles already developed that made extensive use of the audio loop feature...

But there isn't...

Just like 'open' arrangers, I think the 'potential' is a lot more enticing than the reality

Look, if you are ALREADY a bigtime drum loop user (Acid or Ableton Live, e.g.), have already spent a lot of time learning the intricacies of loop slicing and trimming, maybe have access to a decent recording studio and a rock solid, first call drummer (if you want to make your own), then yes, this is a big deal. But without those skills and experience, I have a feeling that, just like most SD-1 users, you are going to find it is a lot more work than the results justify...

Unfortunately, the Ketron R&D team failed to be able to add multiple streaming loops to the Audya. They announced it initially, and it would have been a game changer if they had succeeded, but in point of fact, they got no better streaming performance out of the Audya than they had with the SD-1. So this is NOT groundbreaking stuff. It has been out for years, and few people have succeeded in utilizing it. So I don't honestly see any difference here.

And, in the end, with drum libraries like BFD and EZDrummer getting to the point that it is virtually impossible to tell if they are loops of live drumming or just highly detailed MIDI playback of MIDI drumming, why even go down this route? Audio loops still have the fatal flaw of being basically uneditable, whereas MIDI files allow all the flexibility you could ever ask for. Want that groovy pattern on a brush kit instead of a rock kit? You CAN'T do that with audio loops. But it's a snap with MIDI.

I think the audio loop capability is going to be great for the electronica/dance players, but for those of us with more 'conventional' needs, it isn't quite the boon you might think...

Thanks,

It was just the easiest location since the drive was mounted there, adn I didn't want to extend the cable. So I;m sure anyone would have done the same thing if they wanted to.

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To NEDIM:

Are you shure that AUDYA only have 46 or 47 Mb Ram?

About USER AUDIO DRUMS LOOPs , each part , for example ARR A , the loop with 8 bars has almost 3Mb only ( WAV stereo 16Bit 44.1K ).
What is the problem to play 3Mb size loop files in Real time HD streaming?

Quote:

"I`m not Ketron owner , i respect this brand and i work with this brand from 22 Years ago , because this brand allways give me all that i need to do my business and win my money , and what i have from Ketron , no other brand never give me." It sound to me like a partial opinion if Ketron provide him with all that money.

"maybe Korg is good , but for Latin / Acustic Markets , forget Korg.....Its plastic sounds and "Songoku" styles...." if Ketron is so good for Latin markets, why you can't find a Ketron keyboard in Latin America.
Maybe Ketron make good keyboards, but their support lack in any field. It is even difficult to get a decent user manual in another language other that in Italian.

Don't see what is the issue with devices make in China. The key is the design and supervision. Apple build all their PC's and iPODs in China. I bet that they sell more electronics devices than any "Made in Italy" company.

What HDD is in the Audya? ATA, SATA or else? SAMSUNG, HITACHI, WD or else?


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ide

Can you show a photograph?
I thought about mounting the SSD to Audya (but this is SATA). What do you think?



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I am very sure as of now Audya has only 46-47 MB of RAM and please dont try to correct
me, none of us is stupid in here, it was confirmed by AJ, by me, by other users and trust me
i know about synths a little more then you think i know, i know what RAM is. Or is this another
desperation like Dom and the MS??? Please, you can be smarter then denying Audya has
more then 46MB of RAM. As for Audio Loops, i am not talking about Factory Loops, i am talking
about USER LOOPS which also for now can ONLY be stored in USER RAM.
Lee, FC and some others, please do some research before claiming anything. I spent enough
time with the Audya to know what it can do and what cant. And i still stand by what i said,
46MB of Audio User Loops is 6 times less then 256 MB of Audio User Loops.

Yes, Right, it streams the Factory which is called ROM even though is on an HD.
And no Wrong, Korg can do more then Audya for now, 256 MB, 6 times more then 46MB.

Wrong again! Who told you that? Are you claiming all of them are assembled in China???

In Audya USER LOOP to play as well as factory loops (streaming),in the file name must be given the pace USER LOOP ex. mydrum_93_1.wav and are read directly from the HDD and not loaded into RAM .

Dang, and i tought the war was in Afghanistan..

But all you talk about is the styles...

How about the Ketron solo voices? Can they keep up with Korg Yammaha and Roland? I don't see a lot of improvement in their solo voices since SD1.

Ah.... interesting.

So you are saying that ONLY ROM loops (only they are NOT ROM, they are stored on the HD) can stream, and User drum loops will have to be loaded into the sampler's paltry 48MB RAM (thereby squeezing out whatever else you already have in there - like Supervoices)?

I don't think too many on this thread knew that...

Is this how the SD-1 worked, or did they eventually get that to stream User drum loops?

maybe i don't know what i'm talking about...

AJ, can you clear this up?

it seems everyone knows what they are talking about, but everyone claims different things

from what i know and heard from KETRON, drums stream in realtime from HD (all 11GB or 60GB)

if so, then AUDYA has over 200x more audio drum loop capability than Korg, not 6x less

AJ/Ketron ??? anyone who REALLY knows?

Do not know what to say. Have you see the live Audya? If the play styles of AudioDrum, HDD LED shows the HDD to work all the time
If AudioDrum in RAM, HDD is not working, but working


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Not even in Dreams but they dont wanna touch that topic, it burns as hell.



None of that, forget what i even said, the sad part is as of now Audya cannot do ANY user loops at all.



How can we clear out something that doesnt even exist as of now?

Yes, i have seen it, many times...i dont think you have seen it...Yes, it streams from HD,
you are correct...Factory Loops, that come with it, Right???

I know...

i may be wrong , but USER audio loops may be able to be streamed from HD with the new OS 3.0

we will see,

Fernando do you know if they will stream from HD?

I have one of the first Audya serial number 10,371, and I test OS 3.0 and I know that USERLOOP (no Factory) are read directly from the HDD (streaming), no RAM


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Yes 3.0
In OS 2.0 can not USERAUDIODRUM

Yeah, that's the thing that is confusing all this. SOME people are beta testing OS3, and may have access to capabilities and information the rest of us haven't seen yet.

So.... any OS3 beta testers out there... will the Audya STREAM User loops from the HD, or do they have to be loaded into RAM?

(No 'guesses', please. Let's just get the FACTS)

UPDATE... seems answered. Cool. However, my above comments still stand. Whether they stream or load up. making them, matching them, creating a usable style with them is still going to be just as hard...

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I've also seen that Audya load the drum and guitar loops from the hard drive, and it seems to constantly stream them from the drive. I doubt it loads into RAM, because that would take a very long time to go from style to style, which the Audya does instantly.

Not sure what that actually means.

Well I know that I accidently deleted the factory drum loops from the hard drive. Because of this I did not have any audio drums.

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Hahahahahahaha...this is fun!

When something is streamed from a hard drive it still must go into the system RAM to be able to be used.

Streaming is just a technology that allows audio/visual to be played/started even though its not fully loaded into RAM.

Hard drives are ONLY for storage, and in the case of PC's for a "pretend" RAM area. Even if the Audya is using a part of the hard drive for a pseudo ram (swap sector) technically it is still RAM, and the sampels are being streamed to there if there is no dedicated RAM space left.

Also interesting to note, not only does the Audya have USB 1, it also STILL uses the much older(read slower) IDE interface technology for the hard drive??!!

I would have thought it would be at least at SATA level. Much quicker transfer rates than IDE, and well suited to streaming.

so Nedim,

who's right? you or FCMUSICA?

Ganiek says USER audio loops DO stream from HD, NOT from RAM or ROM

he has AUDYA, he has OS 3.0 beta

so does this mean the PA2X is 6x more than AUDYA?

or is AUDYA 200x MORE than PA2x?

fun it is indeed :-)

I always sad, Ketron machines are built like tenks, by German engineers in WW2...hence
everything inside including the OS is since
Hitler Beta tested.

Lee, i dont get too excited on Blind Dates, i am more of a Reality person.

but those with OS 3.0 and AUDYA should know more than those without, wouldn't you say?

but this OS 3.0 may pose a SERIOUS problem...
as i may not have the time to choose from the THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of audio USER drum loops in my HD :-)

Frankieve, we were informed quite a while ago that, while the drum loops streamed, the guitar loops have to be loaded into RAM (but perhaps not the same RAM as is used for the sampler) because the HD couldn't stream that many simultaneous streams.

You see, while the drum track only needs the ONE stream at a time, for all the guitar chord choices you have the ability to make on the fly, the latency of coming off the HD would preclude that. I believe AJ told us quite a while back that the guitar loops are ROM (no matter where they are stored) and the drum loops are RAM.

I mean, if the guitar loops were streaming, there would be no problem having as many chord types as the chord recognition engine could know. But three simultaneous chord types was the maximum that Ketron could achieve. And that had to be from RAM. When you think about it, having all those chord choices INSTANTANEOUSLY available requires hardware speeds. In fact, from some of the reports we have got about glitchy timing occasionally between style divisions, especially Intros, it seems the poor thing is having a hard enough time just streaming ONE stereo file in realtime when asked to change streams... Imagine how much harder that would be having multiple Parts, all but the drums with multiple chord choices.

Computer systems SEEM to have a much easier time of this, streaming multiple files simultaneously, but the thing is, they aren't REALLY realtime. The computer will pre buffer data (because it knows what is coming) to give the illusion of realtime performance. It only needs a few milliseconds to do it, but in a realtime environment, those few milliseconds are just enough to give you glitches and stinky timing.

Personally, as expensive and as unproven as this technology is, I think I am prepared to wait a few more years until the hardware catches up to needs, and the whole thing gets a bit more mature. It just seems a little kludgey right now.

I completely forgot about that, I stand corrected.



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i hear that the next AUDYA will come with SSD...

IF Frankieve will post some picture of the Audya mainboard where are located the SAM9708+SAM9707 then I can post some dream documentation.
Only in this way you there can full understand what this keyboard is able to make or not.

I have already design 6 different boards with the Dream DSP and I know really well the all possible features.
Let see if Frakieve will display some..

For the first part I already said that in my post....It buffers it INTO RAM....PCs(and this includes all keyboards which are in essence small PCs) run NOTHING directly from the hard drive, it must ALL go into RAM which is where the operating systems and programs are ALL run from. In the case of some keyboards the SSD as well.

As for the second part it is NOT unproven and streaming works extremely well IF you have the correctly specified gear to start with. Gear which I must say the Audya does not appear to have.

They are trying to run "noughties" technology from "nineties" hardware....It AIN'T gonna happen!!!

Come on, I got to open it again !!!

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