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#270770 - 09/10/09 11:57 AM Re: What's going on with Ketron & Audya
leezone Offline
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looks very cool
AND IT ONLY COSTS $7,000

but is light years ahead of anything

check out specs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tv0qz6Q3zI

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#270771 - 09/10/09 12:09 PM Re: What's going on with Ketron & Audya
Nedim Offline
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Originally posted by leezone:
but is light years ahead of anything


Nothing like this exist yet...except a 10 000$ or more computer DAW system.
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#270772 - 09/10/09 12:14 PM Re: What's going on with Ketron & Audya
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Not sure where to start ...

The FACTORY and USER AUDIO drum loops reside in the HD and are streamed instantly when a style or midifile that requires them is called up. When a style is called up, the streaming begins instantly from the HD into the CPU board where it is processed in real time. This is independent of the on- board RAM and as such the samples already loaded in from the SAMPLER are NOT affected.

There is a 'buffer' that allows a temporal amount of loop-data to be stored/used associated with the other parts/variations of the style so when you change from variation A to B, the audio loops associated with B are already ready to be used.

For the USER DRUMS, the technic used requires you to name the audio/wave file to be associated with the style in a special way ... e.g '@SAMBA_50.wav' (the '@' tells the AUDIA to display the "A" logo before the style in the style list as it is now an audio style, the '_50' tells AUDYA the wave file was initially recorded with a BMP of 50bmp and can be streched from this point +/-45% while still maintaining the pitch/quality of the drums. This means you will be able to (OS3.0 and up) load different wave files into the USER DRUM Folder of AUDYA and when creating/editing any style, from STYLE VIEW mode, press F1 (DRUMS) to toggle between the following drums:-

AUDIO (Factory audio drums)
MIDI (Factory midi drums) and
AUDIO (User Audio drums).

Technically, you can store over 40GB of Drum samples in this folder location (remember different samples can be used for Arranger A, B, C ... Fill, End .. etc) but with upcoming updates, you will be able to store more should you decide to upgrade your hard Drive to 500GB!!

OS 3.0 also comes with new Bass, Chord (1 & 2 guitar and piano) banks that can be used in the STYLE MORPHING feature (replace, enhance existing/new styles ...etc). You now have a vast amount of combinations from USER and FACTORY data to use to build your own style!!

With these new AUDIO Arranger parts introduced in AUDYA, we agree - there are some limitations as to the flexibility of Sound editing (which we think most people into Sound/Style creation will rather want to achieve better results on a computer with software anyway), however, we believe we have presented users with a machine that has taken music arrangement up a notch. We did not go out to build a machine that is BETTER than other manufacturers' ... etc ... just something different for those who need suchan approach to the type of music they belive this would be suitable for (as it's not for everyone).

Our sounds, styles and systems will always be different from others out there ... otherwise, we would all be making the same keyboard(s) - just with different names (e.g Toyota Matrix & Pontiac Vibe). I guess for marketing purposes, this could be a good idea, but ...

Thanks,

AJ
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#270773 - 09/10/09 12:39 PM Re: What's going on with Ketron & Audya
Nedim Offline
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Originally posted by Ketron_AJ:
(which we think most people into Sound/Style creation will rather want to achieve better results on a computer with software anyway),


But as i know and understand Ketron machines that cant be achieved even with software.
I am saying this only for one reason, knowing the Editing and FX capabilities inside the machine,
which i think no software can actually enhance them.
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#270774 - 09/10/09 01:13 PM Re: What's going on with Ketron & Audya
leezone Offline
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so Nedim,

now that we KNOW for sure that Audio Drums (both FACTORY AND USER) reside in HD, and STREAM from HD in realtime, and know that we will be able to upgrade to let's say a 500GB HD...

would you say the AUDYA is 1953x more than the PA2X when it comes to Audio loops?

or is the PA2X's paltry 256MB still 6x more than AUDYA's "500GB" ??

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#270775 - 09/10/09 01:31 PM Re: What's going on with Ketron & Audya
leezone Offline
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Nedim, just in case you forgot what you said:

"We are not taling about HD size in here
but pure RAM which is needed to play the loops and on the AUDYA is only 46-47 MB.
Can you prove me wrong??? I would love so but you have no way in hell of doing that."


thanks AJ for clearing things up...

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#270776 - 09/10/09 01:32 PM Re: What's going on with Ketron & Audya
Nedim Offline
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You are right, NO, now its not but as you know ME i always have to say something.
I dont need a whole container of Soup with no Spoon to eat it, no thanks. I'd rather
take one Bowl and eat it like every human being does, instead sticking my head in
the container and drink the Soup. And no, noone proved me wrong. If you read each
of my posts as i said earlier, everywhere you find AS OF NOW, FOR NOW, AS IT IS.
I dont care what Mercedes is planing to come up in the next year, i see what it is now.

[This message has been edited by Nedim (edited 09-10-2009).]
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#270777 - 09/10/09 01:57 PM Re: What's going on with Ketron & Audya
leezone Offline
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the fact is that the AUDYA will "soon" have the capability of nearly 500GB of audio drum loops...
and the KORG is stuck at 256MB

see the difference?

thanks KETRON for this "expandibility" and for listening to our needs, and for the upcoming OS 3.0, and for the upcomng "RAM" sound chip expandability as well

it just keeps getting better and better...

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#270778 - 09/10/09 02:00 PM Re: What's going on with Ketron & Audya
leezone Offline
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Nedim ,

AS OF NOW, the AUDYA streams from HD, not from RAM as you said, "but pure RAM which is needed to play the loops and on the AUDYA is only 46-47 MB."

so YES you were proven wrong

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#270779 - 09/10/09 02:06 PM Re: What's going on with Ketron & Audya
Nedim Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:
and for listening to our needs,


You are way brainwashed, noone listens to us, that was supposed to be there at the begining.
Listening to US is when we ask for something extra, try, we'll see how far you get.
By the way, next week, you up for a slice of Pizza again? I'll be around there.
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