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#270911 - 09/12/09 08:55 PM Re: Where is AJ
Robbo Offline
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Hey Dikki,

are you suggesting tongue in cheek that there will be no futher styles for SD1/SD5 and so on???

Come on Aj can you answer my questions from the previous post

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#270912 - 09/12/09 11:34 PM Re: Where is AJ
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Quote:
Originally posted by Robbo:
[B]are you suggesting tongue in cheek that there will be no futher styles for SD1/SD5 and so on???


He is suggesting that (including me) that they would probably leave Audya alone too, not just
SD1-5...they are old synths already anyways. Same thing like some of Korg owners, Korg is soon
gonna discontinue M3 but they still ask for Triton sounds and support, aint happening.
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#270913 - 09/13/09 01:33 PM Re: Where is AJ
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No, Nedim, please don't put words in my mouth. I am NOT saying "probably leave Audya alone". I am merely suggesting that this question be a high priority for potential Ketron buyers.

To be honest, I find your vendetta against Ketron to be a gas, as pro-Audya as you were before its' release. In all fairness, you keep running down the Audya on grounds that few others really give a damn about. The vast majority of arranger users aren't really all that concerned about highly detailed voice editing, Akai compatible samplers, and detail style and SMF editing. Most of them are primarily concerned about how good it sounds OOTB.

And this is the ONE area you never seem to even acknowledge. In all fairness, the Audya sounds MUCH more realistic than the Korg's (or, to be honest, just about anything else) as is. That's got to count for SOMETHING, doesn't it?

And, for all its' advantages in the editing department, let us not ignore Korg's shortcomings in the fill department. Three fills TOTAL. Half what everything else has (actually a third, as one is usually a break). Now, I know you are primarily concerned about the synth engine, but in the REAL WORLD, people actually PLAY these things, not just use them for style making and sound creation! And, in that real world, in my book, a better selection of transitions, a smoother way to go from any division to any other division, counts higher than detail voice editing. After all, what's the use in a great well tweaked voice, if you have to use it in a style that jerks around between Variations?

But, all that aside, all I was trying to bring up is the probability that buyers looking at a Ketron Audya take a CLOSE look at how much the factory style selection grew for the SD-1 and SD-5. For the vast majority that really don't give a toss about fancy voice and effects editing (or editing much of anything at all!), this fact might make them consider the decision. I am NOT suggesting they give the Audya a miss. Lord knows, were I a well heeled retiree, with money to burn, I might already HAVE one!

But it IS something to consider... What decision they make is up to them. I don't believe any one arranger is superior in ALL aspects. The trick is prioritizing REALISTICALLY, rather than getting all worked up about features you'll likely never use, and ignoring other aspects you will use on a daily basis.
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#270914 - 09/13/09 05:45 PM Re: Where is AJ
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Just to ask AJ once again to respond to my request re the SD5(SD3) more styles, and program changes. Please AJ if you guys are not to continue to further develop the just past keyboard and module, what am I to believe re the Audya????

thanks in anticipation of the the answer, also, the live styles in the SD5/SD3 are fantastic, the best drums and bass of them all, so come on, I give credit where its due, but I want more!!!!

Thanks AJ

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#270915 - 09/13/09 05:51 PM Re: Where is AJ
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Robbo,

There will be a library of styles for the SD5/SD3. This will be available on our website and can be downloaded upon completion.

We'll inform you as soon as they become completed and available.

Thanks,

AJ
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#270916 - 09/13/09 11:48 PM Re: Where is AJ
Robbo Offline
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Loc: Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
Thanks AJ, that gives me faith in the whole process including Audya, for those who have not heard the demo's on the SD5/SD3 have a listen, I have a PA2X, and although it has many more styles and prob is the best Arranger currently, the styles sounds of live bass and drums in Ketron SD5/SD3 are simply stunning, I mean real!!!! and punchy, so one expects that other Manufacturers will have to lift the game on live sound

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#270917 - 09/14/09 12:23 AM Re: Where is AJ
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14277
Loc: NW Florida
Anybody got any REAL figures, though...

I mean, all promises aside, exactly how many NEW audio styles (styles with NEW loops, in other words) have ALREADY been made for SD-1/SD-5/SD-3?

In how many years of them being out amongst us?

Before I take anybodies word about future development, I'd like to take a good look at past performance. It would be like Yamaha saying that the T3 could be upgraded at some time or another as a selling point. But then you take a closer look at how many important OS upgrades Yamaha ever did, and you MIGHT be a little more skeptical about it...
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#270918 - 09/14/09 03:10 AM Re: Where is AJ
mc Offline
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Registered: 07/17/01
Posts: 870
Loc: New York
Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
No, Nedim, please don't put words in my mouth. I am NOT saying "probably leave Audya alone". I am merely suggesting that this question be a high priority for potential Ketron buyers.

To be honest, I find your vendetta against Ketron to be a gas, as pro-Audya as you were before its' release. In all fairness, you keep running down the Audya on grounds that few others really give a damn about. The vast majority of arranger users aren't really all that concerned about highly detailed voice editing, Akai compatible samplers, and detail style and SMF editing. Most of them are primarily concerned about how good it sounds OOTB.

And this is the ONE area you never seem to even acknowledge. In all fairness, the Audya sounds MUCH more realistic than the Korg's (or, to be honest, just about anything else) as is. That's got to count for SOMETHING, doesn't it?

And, for all its' advantages in the editing department, let us not ignore Korg's shortcomings in the fill department. Three fills TOTAL. Half what everything else has (actually a third, as one is usually a break). Now, I know you are primarily concerned about the synth engine, but in the REAL WORLD, people actually PLAY these things, not just use them for style making and sound creation! And, in that real world, in my book, a better selection of transitions, a smoother way to go from any division to any other division, counts higher than detail voice editing. After all, what's the use in a great well tweaked voice, if you have to use it in a style that jerks around between Variations?

But, all that aside, all I was trying to bring up is the probability that buyers looking at a Ketron Audya take a CLOSE look at how much the factory style selection grew for the SD-1 and SD-5. For the vast majority that really don't give a toss about fancy voice and effects editing (or editing much of anything at all!), this fact might make them consider the decision. I am NOT suggesting they give the Audya a miss. Lord knows, were I a well heeled retiree, with money to burn, I might already HAVE one!

But it IS something to consider... What decision they make is up to them. I don't believe any one arranger is superior in ALL aspects. The trick is prioritizing REALISTICALLY, rather than getting all worked up about features you'll likely never use, and ignoring other aspects you will use on a daily basis.


At the Mr. Sound Audya show, he was sure sporting that Ketron golf shirt proudly!, my how somethings change so quickly.
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#270919 - 09/14/09 07:47 PM Re: Where is AJ
Robbo Offline
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Registered: 07/31/08
Posts: 570
Loc: Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
AJ

do you have atime frame for the release of the updates SD5/SD3

I mean will it be this month, this year, next and so on. What I am trying to ascertain is that to rationise the equipement I have, and I do like the SD3 (but I need more styles), if its going to be 6 to 12 months away, then I need to re rationalize the setups I have, and it has been quite some time since the SD5/3 was released, I dont want to labour the point, but you must know where i am going with this.

Thanks

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#270920 - 09/14/09 08:43 PM Re: Where is AJ
Nedim Offline
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Registered: 05/13/08
Posts: 1144
Loc: Staten Island, NYC
Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
you keep running down the Audya on grounds that few others really give a damn about. The vast majority of arranger users aren't really all that concerned about highly detailed voice editing, Akai compatible samplers, and detail style and SMF editing.


You are completely right, i agree...but those are the Grounds i work with and am concerned about.
I dont play live that much anymore nor i use or will use Audya when i play live, all i need is that.
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