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#271546 - 09/20/09 07:40 PM Georgia w/Tyros 3 Guitars
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#271547 - 09/20/09 08:40 PM Re: Georgia w/Tyros 3 Guitars
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Thanks for sharing.
This guy also does a great job on Santana's Europa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQeyWPoXv3c&feature=channel
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#271548 - 09/20/09 08:43 PM Re: Georgia w/Tyros 3 Guitars
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Thanx Eric great stuff the Tyros 3 sounds phenominal.Great Drums!

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#271549 - 09/20/09 09:13 PM Re: Georgia w/Tyros 3 Guitars
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Please, please, please don't take this the wrong way or go into a retaliatory tizzy, as I'm merely giving my assessment of this performance. I assume that's why you posted it, right. Either there is something grossly wrong with my speakers or that is one of the worst emulations of a guitar I've ever heard. Since I know that the Tyros 3 has good guitars, I have to chalk it up to the player. Since you and Eric both liked it, I guess different people hear different things. Donny, please don't fire back a nasty response. I'm just giving my opinion of this performance. I know we're supposed to pat all Synthzoners on the back, but hopefully we don't have to do the same for every hack we find on YouTube.

I repeat, I'm NOT trying to stir anything up or start any kind of controversy. I just didn't care for that performance of Georgia. Europa either, for that matter. And I like both tunes (although I always thought Europa was a little contrived).

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#271550 - 09/20/09 10:10 PM Re: Georgia w/Tyros 3 Guitars
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I have to agree with you Chas...I've heard much better guitar emulations on the T3 (and the S900 as well).

I listened without looking, and just let my ears do the judging.

The performance wasn't bad...just not impressive.
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#271551 - 09/21/09 02:56 AM Re: Georgia w/Tyros 3 Guitars
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Some of our own members have posted better. Not that it is bad, or anything, just that it COULD be more idiomatic...
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#271552 - 09/21/09 07:27 AM Re: Georgia w/Tyros 3 Guitars
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Donny ... thanks for posting ...

I think the 'problem' with the performance - and it is not 'bad' by any means - is that the player is reading the music and doesn't seem totally comfortable and relaxed with the song ... Perhaps if the player really KNEW the piece, the performance would come over better ...

When it comes to guitar emulation, I'll listen to DonM anytime ...


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#271553 - 09/21/09 09:00 AM Re: Georgia w/Tyros 3 Guitars
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The nylon string guitar sound on Georgia is nice, as is the same sound on most every other keyboard these days.

The player mentions that he is trying to learn how to use proper guitar phrasing, more power to him. A couple of suggestions would be to lay off of the sustain pedal and use no more than six notes at a time.

I thought he did a fine job on Europa. Speaking of Santana, Carlos (and many others, but I saw Carlos do it first) does a 2nd string unison bend every now and then which I just love the sound of. I was able to program a lead guitar sound on my Pa588 that not only has normal pitch bend with the lever (left/right) but also I can get a unison bend by pulling the lever down and slowly releasing it. Very cool.

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#271554 - 09/21/09 09:27 AM Re: Georgia w/Tyros 3 Guitars
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Quote:
Originally posted by tony mads usa:

When it comes to guitar emulation, I'll listen to DonM anytime ...


t.


I have only heard one or two of Don's guitar emulations, and they were very impressive.

I have a feeling Don actually plays guitar. (the real deal?)
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#271555 - 09/21/09 09:33 AM Re: Georgia w/Tyros 3 Guitars
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I'm happy to know about and hear these guitar emulations, but damn if I can do it. It must be a mental block thing. Just give me the drawbars and piano keys and I'm good to go; maybe a flute or trumpet solo now and then, but that's it for me.
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#271556 - 09/21/09 11:05 AM Re: Georgia w/Tyros 3 Guitars
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The whole thing about playing an arranger is to "ARRANGE" the playing as to sound like more then one. This includes using all the sounds & articulate them in a manner in which they are prescribed to do in their real performance state. A good arranger player is more then just a keyboard actuator & must study how each sound operates and fits in the mix with Styles & SMF, etc, etc, ...multitasking is an understatement when properly playing and arranger KB.

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#271557 - 09/21/09 12:28 PM Re: Georgia w/Tyros 3 Guitars
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Europa is a great tune, first recorded by Carlos in 1978. Gato Barberi had a major jazz hit with it in the last few years. I agree that the guitar tone from this guy wasn't very impressive on the balad. It was better on Europa, but that's because he was emulating a distorted solo.

Good young player trying to improve. And, that's a good thing.


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#271558 - 09/21/09 12:32 PM Re: Georgia w/Tyros 3 Guitars
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Originally posted by Diki:
Some of our own members have posted better....


Yeah, like Noel Jay (Pasadoble) on his July posting of Masquerade. Good guitar phrasing and nuances. You could actually believe it was a guitar. Great work on that one.

chas
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#271559 - 09/21/09 12:49 PM Re: Georgia w/Tyros 3 Guitars
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Bottom line it will always be a keyboard vs the real thing as it should be. One instrunement sound doesnt make a band,.

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#271560 - 09/21/09 05:12 PM Re: Georgia w/Tyros 3 Guitars
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But one instrument poorly emulated can ruin a band...

I prefer to stick to what I do best, and avoid those I have trouble with. Guitar chording has always been non-intuitive for me, despite actually playing some guitar. The spread of the chords, the voicing, the transitions have always been counter-intuitive for me, and have the greatest respect for those that learn it well enough to fool someone that plays guitar!
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#271561 - 09/21/09 08:10 PM Re: Georgia w/Tyros 3 Guitars
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Originally posted by cgiles:
Yeah, like Noel Jay (Pasadoble) on his July posting of Masquerade. Good guitar phrasing and nuances. You could actually believe it was a guitar. Great work on that one.

chas



That WAS a beautiful job ...

cass ... I have the same problem ... but I will use the guitar sounds on occasion ... fortunately my audiences aren't analyzing EVERY note I play ...
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