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#272994 - 10/03/09 03:39 PM Experimenting - blues w/hip hop beat
cgiles Offline
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Registered: 09/29/05
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One of the things I love most about arrangers is the ability to use them like drum machines. Most have pretty refined patterns and they're easy to use, as implemented on an arranger. The one I used on this 'scratch' arrangement is from the PA1x Pro and is called 'Swing Hip Hop'. It's 'un-tweaked' : other than turning the tempo down to 69). The tune is an old Bill Withers 3-chorder called 'ain't no sunshine when she's gone'. The bass is a G7 patch but here's the kicker, the chords are from the same patch. The sax (which Diki hates ) is from the PA1x. The EP is from the G7. The guitar is from the Tyros 2 (as usual). The piano is from the G7. The BGV's are me mumbling through the VP-550 (I can't sing and it does a great job of disguising your voice). The organ is the Nord C1 (what else). There's too much 'verb on everything but that's deliberate, to set a mood (and drown out all the flubs).

I always thought I could put together a simple tune from scratch in 30 minutes if I knew the tune. I was wrong. Although everything was done in one pass (I never do do-overs, too lazy. I try to hide a flub with the next dubbed instrument), it still took me 1hr and 15mins. No effects other than what was already on the patch and only a rough mix (turned down the organ, piano, and bgv's). Naturally, all of our homemade stuff sounds like puppy-poo compared to factory styles but I still like the 'live' feel over stuff that never contains a single mistake. I also like to make up the parts as I go along and since I don't play those particular instruments, it always sounds a little weird. But what the hay. Nobody else is posting.
http://www.box.net/shared/ziia6cg456

chas

PS: recorded volume is kinda low, so it sounds pretty lousy(er) through PC speakers.

[This message has been edited by cgiles (edited 10-03-2009).]
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#272995 - 10/03/09 05:05 PM Re: Experimenting - blues w/hip hop beat
cassp Offline
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Registered: 03/21/03
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Loc: Motown
I hate to have to tell you this, chas but...

... it sounds pretty damn good.
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#272996 - 10/03/09 05:07 PM Re: Experimenting - blues w/hip hop beat
Eric, B Offline
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Registered: 12/15/99
Posts: 2029
Loc: Ventura, Ca, USA
Hi Chas,
I really like this one.
Nice Mix of Instruments. To me it has more of a Jazzy feel, which is great.
I also like the way you mixed the vocals in the background.
Great Lounge music
Thanks for sharing.
Eric
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#272997 - 10/03/09 09:06 PM Re: Experimenting - blues w/hip hop beat
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Registered: 01/02/00
Posts: 3781
Loc: San Jose, California
I Liked it a lot, once I run it through the sound wall and got the volume up. The bass woffer really made it talk big too
thanks for sharing.
bebop
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#272998 - 10/03/09 09:22 PM Re: Experimenting - blues w/hip hop beat
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
Who cares what dicki thinks....
good job Chas I enjoyed the listen.

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#272999 - 10/03/09 09:34 PM Re: Experimenting - blues w/hip hop beat
zuki Offline
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I like, thanks Chas
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#273000 - 10/04/09 12:23 AM Re: Experimenting - blues w/hip hop beat
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14282
Loc: NW Florida
Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
Who cares what dicki thinks....


Dosage still giving you problems..?

Nice stuff chas...
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#273001 - 10/04/09 06:16 AM Re: Experimenting - blues w/hip hop beat
cgiles Offline
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
Thanks guys. You're right, Bebop. It sounds pretty crappy through small (as in PC) speakers; no bass and no detail. It obviously needs some compression, an area most of us know the least about. One of these days I'll get Diki to come up here and teach me some basic recording techniques . I know what the problem is but I'm too lazy to figure it out (like reading the manual ). I want to know that technique that record companies use to make recordings sound good on anything from monster sound systems to clock radios. If anybody knows how they do that, please share.

chas
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#273002 - 10/04/09 07:38 AM Re: Experimenting - blues w/hip hop beat
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Chas, this is very nice...you smoothie, you.

Yes, the mix could be a bit better (I would have liked to hear the organ more), but the arrangement is really interesting.

The Sax, is played with a confident touch, and sounds great, even though after hearing and playing the SA Sax on the Yamaha, I find the every note attacks on anything else, less realistic...you'd sound just perfect using an SA voice coupled with that fine technique you have.

The piano sounds cool.

Your playing has a "seasoned" sound about it...very relaxed and confident (yes, that word again...it fits, though) and I really like the beat...I'm a Bob James, George Benson, Lee Ritenour, Dave Grusin kind of guy, and your music has that same polished feel.

Nice work, buddy.
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#273003 - 10/04/09 07:53 AM Re: Experimenting - blues w/hip hop beat
--Mac Offline
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Registered: 05/16/08
Posts: 307
Loc: Chesapeake, Virginia, USA
Bill Withers' hit and hiphop beat have more in common than the names of the genres might suggest, matter of fact, one is standing squarely on the shoulders of the older R&B stuff anyway.

Most times, combining the HipHop beat with an older R&B tune falls squarely into the "SmoothJazz" category and this offering does that well, I think, could play on any Smoothjazz FM station and play well IMO.

HipHop beats over older R&B songs might just be the "bread and butter" of the Smoothjazz genre, actually.

Nice job.


--Mac
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