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#275871 - 11/16/09 01:53 PM Latin Styles
montunoman Offline
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Hi, I'm playing a few jobs next week doing all latin stuff. I'll be doing lots cha cha chas, boleros, rumbas, and a few cumbias, salsa and merengues. My Tyros 2 has very few of these syles. I've been to the Yamaha site, but they don't offer many Latin styles. Anybody know where I can get some?

Also just curious as to what arranger do you feel is best for Latin styles.

Thanks!
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#275872 - 11/16/09 02:01 PM Re: Latin Styles
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http://www.psrtutorial.com/sty/collections/bart.html

Scroll down. You will see he had a Zip folder with 77 Latin styles.

There are probably many more to be had from the PSR Tutorial site.
Eddie

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#275873 - 11/16/09 02:08 PM Re: Latin Styles
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For latin styles.., I'd say currently the best unit is probably the Roland GW-8.., or I should say GW-8L (the L stands for Latin).
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#275874 - 11/16/09 04:29 PM Re: Latin Styles
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Quote:
Originally posted by montunoman:
Hi, I'm playing a few jobs next week doing all latin stuff. I'll be doing lots cha cha chas, boleros, rumbas, and a few cumbias, salsa and merengues. My Tyros 2 has very few of these syles. I've been to the Yamaha site, but they don't offer many Latin styles. Anybody know where I can get some?

Also just curious as to what arranger do you feel is best for Latin styles.

Thanks!


There are good amount of latin styles converted for the yamaha but many of them are not very good. I’m a Yamaha owner, so looked for good latin styles. There are conversions from other keyboards but roland and korg never had good latin styles to begin with, so the conversions will only make it worse. The conversions from ketron are so-so, because it’s missing the second drum which ketron calls the groove. That can not be converted since its specific to ketron. The second drum makes a big difference in the style.

The Roland gw-8L is a keyboard made for latin genre but I found that majority of the styles are not that good. There are a few but not good enough for me to want to spend $1000 for it.

If you’re looking for latin, ketron is your keyboard. Before everyone jumps up and yells Auyda, there are other ketron models that have fantastic latin styles. A mid-range keyboard is the Sd5 or older used models like the SD1 or X1. They are a little older but still out shines many of the other brands in latin. As this is just my opinion, but I know my latin very well. Glad to help.

You may want to YouTube ketron or go to ketron.it for some demos.
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#275875 - 11/16/09 04:51 PM Re: Latin Styles
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Hey guys. He already owns a T2. He's not looking for a keyboard--he's looking for styles. Eddie provided you with an excellent source, and many of those files are conversions that have been done extremely well.

Additionally, I'll try to dig up a pile and email them to you before the Monday Night Football game comes on. Email me at travlin_easy@copper.net and I'll send them posthaste.

Good Luck,

Gary

[This message has been edited by travlin'easy (edited 11-16-2009).]
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#275876 - 11/16/09 05:12 PM Re: Latin Styles
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Quote:
Originally posted by travlin'easy:
Hey guys. He already owns a T2. He's not looking for a keyboard--he's looking for styles. Eddie provided you with an excellent source, and many of those files are conversions that have been done extremely well.

Additionally, I'll try to dig up a pile and email them to you before the Monday Night Football game comes on. Email me at travlin_easy@copper.net and I'll send them posthaste.

Good Luck,

Gary

[This message has been edited by travlin'easy (edited 11-16-2009).]


I know, my bad, just trying to help, I'm in the same boat that he is in, I love my S900 to death but it hard to find latin styles that are good, especially if your playing for hispanic crowd.

Also almost forgot, the S550B, is a yamaha that just came out recently, when I demoed it had some good cumbias and other latin styles that the T3 or the T2 does not have. But I haven't found a site where the internal styles can be downloaded.

[This message has been edited by mc (edited 11-16-2009).]
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#275877 - 11/16/09 05:17 PM Re: Latin Styles
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Doesn't the original post contain this sentence?

Also just curious as to what arranger do you feel is best for Latin styles.

So talking about other keyboards than tyros II does seem to be appropriate, even encouraged.

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#275878 - 11/16/09 07:03 PM Re: Latin Styles
montunoman Offline
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Hey guys, thanks for the links. The Yamaha syles are perhaps better the ballroom dance crowd. The jobs I have coming up are for hispanic organizations. Luckily I have a hot Latina singer and a bad ass percussionist to add some sabor Latina. So far I haven't found a simple cumbia- the yamaha cumbia sounds odd. Yes, I'm looking for styles for my Tyros 2 but I welcome your thoughts on your favorite arranger keyboards for authentic latin styles.
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#275879 - 11/16/09 08:13 PM Re: Latin Styles
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FAEbGBD,

You're right. I just missed that last sentence when I read the original post.

montunoman,

You have mail.

Cheers,

Gary
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#275880 - 11/16/09 08:22 PM Re: Latin Styles
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Quote:
Originally posted by montunoman:

Also just curious as to what arranger do you feel is best for Latin styles.


the AUDYA Hands Down, by a mile and a half !!!

nothing comes close,
try it and you'll see

the Roland GW8L is a joke in comparison,
really, i've played both,

for those who don't believe, you must not have played the AUDYA yet



[This message has been edited by leezone (edited 11-16-2009).]

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#275881 - 11/16/09 09:10 PM Re: Latin Styles
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I only do a handful of Latin songs, but I find myself playing more of them on the Audya because they are so good.
I usually just start a style and get inspired and make something up! These Texans and Cajuns don't know the difference anyway!

DonM
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#275882 - 11/17/09 10:16 AM Re: Latin Styles
montunoman Offline
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Thanks Gary for the syles- I can't wait to try them out!

Also if anybody has some good cumbias or other latin styles, I'd could really use them.

The Ketron Audya Latin styles I heard on line are amazing! Now if I could just convince my wife that I really need another keyboard... Thanks guys!
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#275883 - 11/17/09 10:47 AM Re: Latin Styles
leezone Offline
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montunoman,

just sell all 5 or 6 of your best keyboards
and you'll have a down payment for the AUDYA

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#275884 - 11/18/09 12:01 PM Re: Latin Styles
leezone Offline
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or just refinance your house...

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#275885 - 11/18/09 12:20 PM Re: Latin Styles
DonM Offline
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Gentlemen, It's all about priorities. A new car can run 30,000 dollars, a good bass boat 20,000. Gary's sailboat, no telling.
I used to routinely pay 10,000 for an organ, each time thinking it was the last I'd ever need.
The Audya is something no one else much has. It is an arranger, a midi file player, an MP3 player, a WAV player, a recorder. It has everything needed to replace laptop, including music players and text display, great vocal processing and harmonizer. It has as many as eight individual outs for recording. It has various effects processors, compressors, and a sound that you will not hear in every beer joint on the street.
It has two mic inputs and e.q. for both, so you don't need a mixer for a solo or duo.
It has a really good new operating system, and it's built like a tank. I think it's a bargain when you consider all you get.
Of course similar points can be made for most of the arrangers on the market now.
They are all bargains when you compare the to what we used to have to use.
For goodness sake, I think I paid something like $1500. for a PSR 6100, that sounded like doo-doo and had virtually no storage other than strange sounds encoded on a cassette tape. And that was when a dollar was worth something.
If you have to mortgage your house to buy one, then sure, it's a no-brainer. But it's easy to see how many of us waste so much money on other things.
I know a guy who spends more on booze and cigarettes in six months than it would take to buy an Audya, all the time griping about being broke. It's a matter of priorities.
I'm sure there are better choices for many of us, but if price is the only consideration, I guess you just buy a PSR and sound like everybody else.
PLEASE, I've owned more PSRs than probably anybody here, so don't take it personally, but unless you make your own styles, or at least do a lot of editing, they all sound alike and have for the past 8-10 years.
You can walk in the door of a place and if there is someone playing one, you will not only recognize the sound, but more than likely the style. I suppose that's a price you pay for playing the most successful arranger of all time. They are very good, very reliable, very practical and easily attainable.
Rant over.
DonM
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#275886 - 11/18/09 12:36 PM Re: Latin Styles
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Back in the day, it wasn't uncommon to have $30-40,000 worth of keyboards, amps, mixers, stands, cables and pedals sitting on the stage.

Don is right about personalization...that's why I work so hard at editing styles and trying fresh arrangements of tunes...we all want to sound different than the next Joe using an arranger.

$5-6000 isn't a lot for a top end keyboard...try buying a new Hammond B-3, or a V-Piano...and that's only two sounds...organ and piano.

I hope they fix the bothersome bits with the Audya...be sure that Yamaha, Roland and Korg are watching how it's received, and how players are responding...imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, but it is also the way business runs as well.

We'll all benefit eventually.
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#275887 - 11/18/09 03:36 PM Re: Latin Styles
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Yep, it's about priorities--that's for sure. And, that's why I'll be taking my time getting to the Shreveport Jam. On the way south I have about 8 sailboats to look at, which will likely drive my wife nuts. I've been searching for a Morgan 33 and 41 Out Island for two years. If you know of one for sale in your neighborhood, and it's somewhere between Baltimore and Key West, let me know.

As for keyboards, well, that's subjective.

Cheers,

Gary
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#275888 - 11/19/09 01:08 PM Re: Latin Styles
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Yes it all about priorites. Probably most men living in the US/Europe spend the at least the same amount as the cost the Audya on all sorts of crap. I never even heard of this keyboard until the other day and now I'm dreaming about one... However I feel like I don't gig enough to justify the cost. Now if music was just a hobby, and I had a high playing day job, or if I had several good paying gigs a week, I for sure would get the very best keyboards. Until then I'll keep dreaming.
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#275889 - 11/19/09 01:59 PM Re: Latin Styles
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Montunoman,
Be sure to set aside January 23, 24, 25 for the Arranger Jam in Shreveport. It's just a short hop from Dallas. You'll get to meet a lot of the guys, and gals, and hear and play a lot of keyboards.
DonM
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#275890 - 11/19/09 02:12 PM Re: Latin Styles
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Thanks Don- I was just talking to my wife and daughter about this. They are both excited- my wife would probably like to sit in on vocals. She sings lots of Latin standards. If you can throw down some cool latin stuff on your Ketron maybe I can convince her that we need one
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#275891 - 11/19/09 02:22 PM Re: Latin Styles
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No problemo! Do you happen to know Vince Ramos from Houston? He uses an SD1, and does a wide variety of Latin and Italian music. I'm certain he will be here to check out the Audya. He has been a Ketron rep for many years.
Don
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#275892 - 11/19/09 07:20 PM Re: Latin Styles
montunoman Offline
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No, I don't know Vince Ramos but I'll look him up.

Thanks again guys for the links and emails of Latin styles. So far I haven't found many usable syles. I know there are desent Latin syles out there for the Yamaha but I can't find them. I was in Mexico City last summer a heard a guy playing a psr 900 and he had some nice cumbias amd merengues. He told me he would sind some files but it never happened. If anyone knows were I could get some good authentic latin, please let me know. Gracias por su ayuda.
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#275893 - 11/20/09 07:53 AM Re: Latin Styles
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The biggest problem with style files is there are so many bad ones out there. I would suggest going to www.psrtutorial.com and click on the styles tab. You'll find thousands upon thousands there, many of which can be categorized from fair to good. A significant number, however, rage from good to excellent, and a small percentage could be placed in the outstanding category.

Of course there's another option. You have an outstanding keyboard, one that has a wonderful program called Style Creator, onboard. If you happen to find a style file that is close to what you are looking for, you can run it through the program, change any instrument, remove or add instruments, and a huge number of other features, then save this information to the style.

In addition to the style files, you'll also find detailed instructions for using Style Creator at the same web site.

Good Luck,

Gary
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#275894 - 11/20/09 09:09 AM Re: Latin Styles
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A couple things came to the surface of my mind while reading the above posts.
A couple of days ago I cranked up the psr9000 to see if it still works ok as it has been sitting a long while. I was amazed at what a good keyboard that is and immediately begin to wonder why I bought the tyros 2 which I hardly ever play anymore favoring the Roland E 80 much more.
the other thing that a post above brought to mind is that I have invested well over 100,000.00 in my recording studio and today it probably has a net worth of maybe $10K. Now days most of it just sits. What a waste.
time for a big sale.
Bebop
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#275895 - 11/20/09 03:16 PM Re: Latin Styles
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Originally posted by BEBOP:
I have invested well over 100,000.00 in my recording studio and today it probably has a net worth of maybe $10K. Now days most of it just sits. What a waste.
time for a big sale.
Bebop


Bebop, you've got plenty of company. That's one of the downsides of lightning-fast technological advances. While that old Steinway keeps increasing in value, modern electronic keyboards seem to have a half-life of about 3 months. Good for the economy, though; at least the Italian and Japanese economy . Damn, it's hard waiting for my new VP770 to ship. Anybody interested in a really, really cheap Tyros2?



chas
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#275896 - 11/22/09 06:52 PM Re: Latin Styles
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Perhaps I can help here. I also concentrate on latin rhythms, and constantly look for styles suitable for Yamaha keyboards. One of the FEW sources I have found that do not simply list the usual PSR styles is:
"mundo ritmos" -- the link is:
http://groups.google.com/group/mundoritmos?lnk=

Join and examine the "archive".

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