The only thing I could say to help you if you are still not understanding is for you to reread Don’s post. And, if you still do not understand, seek some type of a demo so that some one can introduce you to style editing and help you to understand how it is different from style creation.
When you are taking existing data and changing it, you are editing. When you are inputting your own data, you are creating.

The Audya allows you to take existing data and edit it.
To my understanding, you can even include some of your own audio data and include it with an already existing style.

Well, Genny, if you were right, I’d agree with you...but, any market where there is an abundance of arrangers is pretty darn healthy in my opinion.

It's simple...if there were other brand arrangers that would fulfill the needs of arranger players, better than what they are using, I'm sure the demand would be strong enough for dealers to bring them in.

And you didn't answer my question...would you buy an Audya in it's present state?

Ian

Don's post did not appear to mention anything about style assembly, which is a basic part (or should be) of any arrangers style engine.

I have asked if you can swap parts from within a style, or to be able to insert parts from another style, and so far it is still unclear exactly what the Audya does.

Style assembly, is style creation...otherwise, why would it be a part of the Style Creator engine....changing voices and effects is also a function of style creation, but to a far lesser degree.

Playing in the parts from scratch is seldom used...ask anyone on this forum, which consists of many professional creative players, if they make styles entirely from scratch, and you'll get your answer.

Part swapping or style assembly is by far the most common, and even then, you'll only get a few on this forum that use that method.

Brand means nothing...Roland, Korg and Yamaha all have on-board style creators, all have slightly different protocol, but they all work about the same...it's what you get used to.

So far, I'm not convinced the Audya has a style editor/creator...maybe someone can enlighten us....please?

If you are an arranger user, and you claim to be creative, what do you do to show you are creative?
Likewise, if you are a workstation user, and you claim to be creative, what do you do to show you are creative?
If you have a Daw and you claim to be creative, what do you do to show you are creative?

I am not talking about talented or the ability to play and manipulate machinery.

For those who may have conveniently missed it here it is again.

“You can also easily substitute audio style parts for midi parts and vice versa, or add loops if you want.”

Would that be for just for the percussion style parts, or all style parts?

From another style, or within the same style?

What do you do to be creative?

Would you buy an Audya in it's present state?

Look I'll let you call it whatever you like. It will always be the mixer page to me and every keyboard manufacture since that's exactly what the mixer page does.

Fact is you asked a question which was this....



I answered your question and told you straight out that you couldn't make your own styles on the keyboard (amongst other things) because the Style Edit mode doesn't even exists. It's not coming until v4.0

So you can either call me a liar or accept what I'm saying because NOBODY here will jump to your defence and say that they can program their own styles into the Audya.

No sequencer, no sampler, limited sound engine, no style creation mode (called it that especially for you ), lots of bugs, system crashes, hardware fault, and all this is very much so a work in progress with a premium price tag.

Anyone want to beta test ? Will only cost you 5 grand

James

Just what are you talking about. Genny?

Song writing, arranging music, recording, lobbying?

What do you consider being creative on an arranger?

Creativity and talent are much more related than you think.

Send me one of your tunes...do you make your own styles from scratch? I've done a few, but it is a rather tedious bit of work.

Ian

So we know on the Audya we can style edit as with other keyboards.
We can not create styles from scratch but we can edit onboard styles.
That we can agree on.

Style creation and a sampler as Ian would tell you is not wanted by arranger players.

Yes on the Audya you don’t have a sequencer where you can create a song from scratch. Another feature that arranger players do not need.

So as an arranger the Audya is not really incomplete.
Ketron may choose to add more features but the features on it are probably what Ketron wanted it to be.

I just wanted to clarify that the notion that the Audya is a work in progress is a false one that was made by uninformed opinions and was not put in prospective.

Now the most important thing to me is the bugs and stability in the software and it seems as if Ketron is working on that.

There seems to be a few hardware issues but it can not be duplicated by every user. So it is like the button issue that Korg had.

No, I do not agree that the Audya has style editing...is there style assembly...part swapping? No one has clearly confirmed this.

It is still a work in progress, because it is not what the makers intended it to be yet.

Speak for yourself please...we are all capable of voicing our own views...your opinions are just as uninformed at this stage.

Is the manual available for us to look at in PDF? That should answer some questions.

Would you buy an Audya in it's present state, Genny? You are avoiding the question, because I don't think you'd buy a "work in progress" either.