Some facts:

- If you want to survive, you have to make money. (Shareholders/owners demands it.)
- To make money, you have to sell quite a few of your product, whatever product it is.
- To make people buy, you don't start by set the price level twice as high as your competitors.
- To make more people buy, you have to deliver a quality product that don't give bad reputation whatever cause it.
- To keep your customers stay at your product, you have to listen and be solution & service minded.
- The list goes on............


If Ketron (or whoever cause it) did not place the pricelevel higher than the goldrate in this country, I would be one
of the first to run and buy the Audya when it finally arrived.
Why? Because I learned to know the SD1 who not only sounds good, but is heavenly to play. Lovely keys and keybed, and
I really like the "live and human" sound and styles. But the (old) OS is a nightmare for those of us who's not born
into Ketron land.

TAlso I did believe that the Audya would be more finished when it came out, after all it was delayed for quite a long
time after they first started the hype.
I would like to think the OS is far more userfriendly and have more options regarding style editing etc. than we have
seen before, and the small leaks about OS4 tells this will be even better.
No, I don't think Audya is a bad keyboard, I would love to have one, but I hate to feel like robbed after a deal ..

The audio idea is great, but I think it has to be yet another model (Audya II ??) before we see hard and sofware that
manage to make some intentions or wishes come true.

Cheers
GJ

The comment made about the SD1 OS or navigation being "ketron land" kind of baffles me. The Navigation is the same. You press a button and look in the screen. Than use one of the function buttons on the side of the screen to make a sound or style selection. I really don't see what was so different than other brands, other than having a hard drive... I just don't get it..

Sorry.

Skude,

It is surprising that after all the hype here we still don’t have an answer about the whereabouts of OS4, I think someone said it would be out Monday i.e. yesterday in the UK, but no sign of it, I must say I haven’t look on Ketters Italy, it may be there now, what do you think. I am convinced there are troubles, think about it, you would not want to let the public know too early, but we have known about OS4 for about 6 weeks or so. After everybody seeing and commenting - not a sound from Frank or AJ, it’s a bit odd, James will perhaps have the answer. It is worrying some people have said send it back, you have 7 days to look at it and then send it back, but it’s more complex than that. You pay your £4200.00 you think you are getting a finished product , you have no reason to think any different but I bet the dealers perhaps knew, with Ketron passed record this is how it would turn out. In the UK we have Trading Standards in every City, if goods are faulty and not fit for purpose they will act on your behalf and get your money back. But imagine going for an interview with a Trading Standards representative and telling them the winding tale of the Audya, they would never believe you, and they are perhaps more interested in 10000s of people with a kids toys have has a steel rod popping out and damages the child’s eye. If you told them you had bought a KB for £4200.00 you knew it would not be complete, you would need to wait until such time as the manufacturer decide to get it finished, timescale unlimited they would laugh at me and quite rightly so. Once an idiot always and idiot or there’s no fool like an old fool. The compete Ketron Audya - the best kept secret - only known to a chosen few, sounds like something from the bible. Sorry this 150 thread has revealed nothing for you, I did my best. Beta tested by the brave in a darkened room.

Just to clarify WITH FACTS (as has been requested by some)...

1. AUDIO STYLE MORPHING. This feature completed in AUDYA (as of OS3.0) allows the user to do the following ...

A. Take an existing style and EDIT it to ..
B. Replace its Midi parts (chords, bass drums) with those from another style OR those from it's internal library and save as a user style
C. Replace it's AUDIO drum-1 track with an audio drum track from another style or an audio drum track from the internal data bass OR the USER AUDIO DRUMS (audio drums created by end users), OR midi drum tracks from either another style or the Midi Drum data bass.
D. Replace the Audio bass line from a style with that from another style or a midi bass line from either another style or the internal bass table.
E. Replace the Audio guitar (chord 5) with that from another style or another audio guitar from either the internal audio table or the USER GUITAR table (soon to be populated in OS4.0 with more guitar loops) or simply a midi guitar part from another style or internal table.

You can load new styles into AUDYA (either styles converted for use on other Ketron product from other manufacturers, or other Ketron official styles or styles created on other Ketron products). The edit capability above ALSO applies to these styles (user styles).

2. STYLE EDIT (current) AND STYLE CREATE (4.0):- With OS 4.0 you will be able to CREATE NEW STYLES (i.e start from scratch and lay down an entire new drum, bass, chord tracks that currently do not exist in AUDYA). You can also incoorporate the above MORPHING feature with this newly created style.

Hope this clarifies this.

3. STYLE MIX. In STYLE VIEW - you can MIX (change volume, effect, pan .. etc levels of each style part) and EDIT (change parts [midi and audio alike] styles and save as a new user style.

We're holding off release to include another popluar feature asked from our customers (can't say now), but you'll see.

Thanks,

AJ

[This message has been edited by Ketron_AJ (edited 11-24-2009).]

Just to clarify this issue with a few more facts (finally!)...and by the way, thank you, AJ for popping in and clearing this up.

When substituting one part for another, does it matter about the number of measures the style was programmed over... i.e. can you substitute a part that was recorded over 4 measures, in a style where the part you are replacing was done over 8 measures.?

Nedim mentioned that the styles parts had to be of equal number measures in order to swap...plus be of the same time signature....so it doesn't matter?

You say "existing bass/audio table"....is that a selection of preset bass lines in the instruments ROM/RAM?

Thank you very much for finally making some sense out of the style editor issue...there was much confusion from the inaccurate/incomplete information offered so far.

Ian

ianmcnll

The style parts (measures and timing) do NOT have to match for AUDYA (Nadim is basing his response on the previous products [SD1, SD5 ... etc] where he is correct).

You can copy parts from a waltz 3/4 into a country 4/4 - not sure if you'd like the results in most cases but ... it can be done (both for AUDIO and MIDI).

Thanks.

AJ

Please please please I started this thread when and where is OS4, that's all I ask, no loops, no HDD, no liquidated damages, no potted history of Ketron, no sad people telling me it’s all my fault even though I know it really is, no people getting cross with each other, Christmas is coming it would be nice to play jingle bells on OS4, and old man in his last days, what more can I ask, is it tooooooooo much. They got a lot to answer for!

Thanks again AJ...that makes for pretty good control over style editing...the basic system itself seems to be as current as anything else out there.

That's definitely in the Audya's favor.

I appreciate your prompt reply, and I'm sure this will clarify things for most, if not all of us...I know it does for me.

I really found it hard to believe a TOTL arranger would be crippled with not having a decent style editor.

Ian

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tony Hughes:
...and old man in his last days, what more can I ask, is it tooooooooo much...[QUOTE]

Ehhemmm, if that was me (even if noone knows when the last day arrive) I would
probably have other things in mind than OS4

Cheers
GJ

I just saw my name in this post, I don't work for Ketron, or have any special connection.

I did ask to be a beta tester for new OSs and so forth but it never happened.

So I also would like to know where OS4.0 is but I'm not having any problems with OS3.0 so I can wait.

Thanks


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