Yep...I was lucky and went for the S910 instead of the Tyros3...I just like playing the former a lot more...it just feels right.

I want, or more likely, need an 88 note weighted hammer action, to try and keep my piano chops, and I just might have found something in one of these new pianos.

The action is apparently all wood (CP1 and CP5), unlike the CVP-509, which has wooden white keys only.

I'll be back with a report, sir, as soon as I try them out.

Ian

[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 12-21-2009).]

The CP-1 is a pro's piano.

Continuing in the tradition of the CP series of pro pianos, which have never been cheap.

Comparing it to arranger keyboards is kind of ridiculous. This is a piano for people who can *play the piano* and demand those little extra things that usually cause the Law of Diminishing Returns to kick in on the pricepoint. But those who do play and hear that well, it is an important and worthy endeavor.

Those same folks could likely care little about the screensize, you cannot hear the screensize...


--Mac

The korg PA 588 is also a pro piano and is much cheaper. The casio privia's also sound Pro and are used on stage and are much cheaper. Thats no excuse for the high price of the Yamaha piano's. And personally I found the V piano of Roland sound better.

Piano sounds are subjective and personal so your opinion is valid for you.

I'll be able to give an more educated opinion once I've played the Yamaha C1...I've already tried the V-Piano.

I'm afraid the Korg-PA-588 and Casio instruments aren't remotely in the same league as the Yamaha C1 and the V-Piano, so they don't figure into my comparison at all.

Ian

I could not make that statement, not being privvy to the Yamaha R&D inside information.

What I do know is that Yamaha has done a LOT of work in the field, from acoustic grands to this new offering that combines digital sampling with modeling and also evidently represents a new design in the tactile weighted keyboard department as well.

Yamaha also makes quite a few economically priced keyboards, as you know. And they take good advantage of the higher end models, too, using at least part of the famous C-1 acoustic grand samples in them. No company could do that for "just" economical keyboards.

There is the ship and then there is the flagship.

The flagship is not for everybody, and shouldn't be.


--Mac

Far from revolutionary, but I'm sure it sounds freaking awesome, and it looks pretty good looking to me.

Nice..!!!

James

The Casio Privia looks like a major leap for an entry level piano, and in fact, I am considering upgrading my Privia PX800 to the newest model, but how can you compare a $699 piano to a flagship Yamaha piano that is probably going to be on the stage of bands that tour stadiums? Just the workmanship into the keybed is worth more than $699.

Beakybird

I don't think I mentioned the word "revolutionary" in any of my posts, but what I did find amusing is FransN's comment about the Yamaha's being "over-priced".

Considering the Yamaha CP1 is roughly the same price as the V-Piano, and contains both modeling and sampling, as opposed to the Roland's modeling only, why is it that the V-Piano is not overpriced as well?

And this is without mention of the Yamaha CP1's excellent e-pianos, and first-class controller functions, both of which are conspicuously absent on the V-Piano, and which undoubtedly add considerably to the former's value as a stage/studio instrument.

I'm getting the distinct impression that FransN isn't an avid and/or accomplished piano player, or at the very least, just wants to attempt criticism of a product he has not even tried and seems to know very little about.

Critics are like eunuchs...they know how it's done, they see how it's done, but they can't do it themselves.

Most importantly, this technology, both in the V-Piano, and the new Yamaha's, is bound for implementation in the next top of the line arrangers from these companies.

Things are really getting interesting, and no doubt Korg is working on a similar approach for the PA3XPro(?); they're going to be forced to catch up...good news for the Korgians!

The rumors of Casio's new flagship arranger that utilizes something similar to SA and DNC have died down, but I can't imagine them being out.

If you snooze you lose in this highly competitive market, and we, the consumer, benefit from the rivalry.

I remember back in the day when the high-end Prophet-5's, the Oberheim OB's, the Jupiter-8's, the Memorymoogs, and the CS-80's were all fighting for a piece of the lucrative synth market.

Now, it seems that digital pianos are embroiled in the same battle.

Ian

[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 12-21-2009).]

I am not comparing. I only say that you can have for much less money a hell of a piano like the Korg PA588 or casio Privia or SP250 Stage Piano etc. We aren't all rich. And I am not saying that you said that the Yamaha is revolutionary Ian. I said that Yamaha is always full of hype and they are.
And that there products are always overpriced and they are. And yes the Roland V piano is also expensive but that instrument is really revolutionary. Oh and I can play piano and accordeon and keyboard and bought for many years Yamaha stuff. But I am more clever now and see the value of money and I don't believe all the Yamaha hype anymore but trust my own ears.


[This message has been edited by FransN (edited 12-21-2009).]

Hardly...modeling has been around for quite some time...Yamaha dabbled in it wayback with the VL synthesizers (1993), and I'm sure they weren't the first.

It's to Yamaha's benefit that they combined sampling and modeling, again not revolutionary, but pretty clever nonetheless, and then added controller features, alternate sounds, and an easier more intuitive interface.

The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

These instruments (including the V-Piano) are in a class by themselves, and aren't easily compared with entry level pianos like the SP-250 etc.

Ian