Curious if anyone does anything like combining two different styles on the same song?

Example-And The Angels Sing. It starts with a pretty straightforward Big Band Ballad, the interlude is a highly syncopated, latin feel section, then returns to the ballad.

Is there a way within a registration to save two distinctly different styles and fire them while performing the song all in time?



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Bill in Dayton

Hi Bill:

I do use a LOT these "technique", but, the way I use it is like this, I start with the Acoustic Jazz, I program four registrations each with different sound or combination of sounds for the right hand one for each variation, then 3 registrations with the Modern BBand (with the first 3 Variations), and the last registration with the OrchBigband1 on the 4th Variation, always BUILDING UP....so, begins as a Jazz trio and builds up to a large Big Band.

Of Course, all of this with the SAME tempo, 138. I do this often with many other different styles combination's, I do change some of the sounds, balance the volumes, pan, FX, so, when you change from one to another style, is SMOOTH and avoid "bumps".

None of my competitors in my area do this, and keep in mind, I play ONLY instrumental dance music, and this gives me the edge with my counterparts.

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mdorantes

I forgot to tell you what songs, well, very much generic, songs like Satin Dall, on the sunny side of the street, Don't get around much anymore, the meddley of the MOONs, Blue Moon, Fly me to the Moon, How High the Moon, It's only a Paper Moon, etc.

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mdorantes

When I play Buona Sera I start the song using a Tango with a tempo of 104, then hit a fill, and using a registration, switch to a Jump-Jive style with a tempo of 185. Near the end of the song, I switch back to the Tango and perform the ending.

Cheers,

Gary

Gary ... I wonder if that's how Louis Prima did it ?!?!? ...

Bill ... I play a technics kn6000 and the 'registration' buttons on the kb are called 'Panel Memory' ... there are eight PMs available at my fingertips - one button press to activate any one of them - and of course I can use any one of the four style variations within the PM at any time ...

I have a number of registrations saved on the kb hard drive for various songs - mostly 'standards' or songs from 'The Real Book' such as "All The Things You Are" or "Green Dolphin Street", and the changes in rhythm are usually switched between some jazz style and a Bossa or other Latin style ...
Like Manuel, I also make sure all the 'settings' - voices, tempo, volume, pan, etc. are set the way I want so that when I am playing PM1 and press PM2, everything is the way I want it ...
I have also used the PMs to start a tune with the 'straight' rhythm, such as 'Jazz Ballad', and then set a PM for 'double time' during an ad lib solo ...

For various 'sing-a-longs' - especially during the Christmas Season, I load "Christmas Songs" from the hard drive, and I have up to 8 PMs set for different songs, so as I go from song to song all I need to do is press one button and everything is set for that song ...

I KNOW I miss playing with my old band, but arranger kb's are GREAT !!! ...
t.

There's no lags, pauses, oddness? It transitions seamlessly from one style to another?

Gotta try this out when I get to my gig today!

Any more details on how best to do this? Usually, I set up one registration for one song. The number 1 registration button is the only one I ever use. Then I save that under whatever song title I use it for.

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Bill in Dayton

Bill:

I perform for dances live, the least thing I want is to have lags, I call them "bumps", this could make my dancers go off their steps, I have none.
In my first reply I forgot to mention that this also works with user styles providing that those are found on my Hard drive with no more than one folder, if you have many "SUB-FOLDERS", you may have issues.

I forgot to mention that also I only work with registrations I pre-programed, I have "generic" registrations like for Rhumbas, Sambas, Tangos, Boogie, etc. from 1 -8 each with different sounds/variations, BUT same tempo.
The registrations work with combination of factory styles and or user styles, make sure the "user styles" work properly, you may have issues with some of those, I make extensive testing in my registrations with any style combination before I perform before audiences.
I have made many Registrations banks and that is how I manage my playing, I know that some people use the MDF, but since is limited to the Factory styles, I prefer to make my own choice of sounds, tempo, balances and also allow me to re-touch the instrument sounds, volume, FX etc on the styles, without editing the style and be able to save those changes in my registrations, it works for me like a charm!!!.

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mdorantes

Bill ... Generally, I will hit a 'fill' when transitioning from one to the other ... makes it pretty much 'seamless' ...
I will also say that having all your settings correct is quite important ...
t.
PS You got mail ...
t.

Bill,

I usually hit a fill or break when transitioning from one to another, but no lag at all--it's a seamless operation.

Gary

Hi Bill,
sorry, don't know what keyboard you use.

With my Korg I can create a user style to suit by copying the style parts from whatever styles I choose to mix.
ie variation 1 from style A
variation 2 from style B etc

Only takes a few minutes & I've got a permanent style.

Don't know how practical that would be for a performer??

Best part as far as the korg is concerned is, I can have different time signature's & tempo's for any variation, fill etc. in a style. Great for setting up a simple medley style.

best wishes
Rikki

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I use this this all the time on my Tyros3 and also in my Korg PA 500.
The Korg has "Performances"= Registrations, that I pre-program on it.
You can use also the "lock" tempo on the Korg if you want to change styles while playing too.

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mdorantes

Bill ... how did it go?
Inquiring minds are NOSEY !!!
t.

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I love to change styles while I'm playing. If you've got a bank full of swing styles, there's nothing cooler than using them for different sections. I don't know about Yamaha, but one of the strengths of Roland's is that there is NEVER a 'glitch' going from one tone to another or one style to another. Totally seamless switch-overs...

So you can either program different registrations that call up just the way you want them (this allows for tempo changes between sections) or just put your tone and tempo lock on, and call up styles willy nilly.

For something as specific as Bill's 'And the Angels Sing' I would just program two adjacent User Programs (sort of Yamaha Registrations, but ten to a page on the touchscreen) with the Swing and Latin sections preset for each. A simple touch on the screen (or a dedicated F/S up/down on the FC-7) and you go from one section to another.

Easy...

Sounds like the old organ days, where you had limited rhythms and swapped between different rhythms to get a variation of the sound/style. (Of course if you had a posh organ, you could alter the drum sounds and voices within the rhythm on the fly

It can be seamlessly done with Yamaha, and most other keyboards, either as registrations, or merely just selecting another style, and the tempo, unless programmed for a change, will remain constant.

Gary

Exactly like you guys said...not hard at all.

This opens up some new avenues!

I better not forget to make sure any details like keys for example are all considered. That's not the way to encounter an unplanned modulation, eh guys?

Thanks for your help everyone.

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Bill in Dayton

Bill ... glad things worked out well ...
Funny thing about the "unplanned modulation" ... there have been a couple of instances when due to a sore throat or something like that, I've hit the transpose button down a 1/2 step or two and sure enough I've gone to a second PM and UH-OH ... there's that key change ... fortunately, I can change the PMs rather quickly when I need to ...
Have fun with it ...
t.

Mastering those 'Hold' commands can help avoid those 'oops!' moments. I'm playing in a band with a girl singer who LOVES to change keys by just a few semi's, often on tunes that I've played for decades in the original, things like Superstition, Play that Funky Music, things like that. I just generally hit the t'pose button, but all hell breaks loose if I forget it is on if I decide to change registrations mid song

Presetting the Hold button to preserve Transposition cured that, though. But I STILL have to remember to disengage it when I go to the next song!

I became aware of the issue of transposition in the E80 vs either the T3 or the PA500, to ME, the way is set up in Yamaha & Korg works better for my playing style.


The way I setup my T3, I can be transposed let's say 3 half steps up, and recall ANY registration I wish, and will remain in the same key, this is really good for me, if I am playing with a singer or somebody else that needs that "X" song in that particular key, I still can use the technic of changing styles/registrations with out a glitch in either tempo, transpose, etc. within the same song.


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mdorantes

Same with Roland...

Set a transposition, engage 'Hold' change anything you want and the t'pose stays on.

Plus, every now and again I get a guitarist that likes to detune a half step. There's a Global Transpose in the Tune master page that is independent of the front panel t'pose, so you can drop down a semi or whole tone (-6 to +5, actually) and still use the regular transpose buttons as well... Take Hold off, and the Global T'pose still is in effect.

Best of both worlds...