this is amzing the only workstation that can do this. if you have 8 usb midi controlers keyboard like behringer umx 49 you can conect it with usb cabel to the MS and MS show your controler on jack ALSA interface. you can conect on jack interface the 8 midi usb cintrolers to 8 asio VST. you can full control 8 VST with you 8 usb midi keyboard controlers realtime separately. it is amazing! i think domenico most demo this amazing option on a video

If you have 8 USB sockets (Or a hub) and plug in 8 USB keyboards, then all will be recognised by Mac, Windows and Linux.
The Jack system used on the MS is also available for Windows and Mac OS, so I can’t see what you’re all excited about.

Bill

i know that it is possible on widows and Mack. but you can not play 8 asio VST at the same time on widows and MAC. here on MS for example if you have 8 players with 8 usb midi boards they can play in realtime 8 differnts VST at the same time.is that not extreme?

for live for example you have MS with 2 other usb midi keyboard contollers for 2 differents VST. is like you have an arranger with 2 synths live. one big differents here is MS is like a PC powerfull and everthing is in one box(keybed-pc-monitor-realtime controllers-linux super super low latency-easy conection tools and.............)

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I dont really see what ASIO has to do with MIDI cuz playing 8 or 20 VSTs has to do with
MIDI and not ASIO, ASIO has to do with Audio but yes, i on my MACs i've played more then
2-3 VSTs at the same time, in the DAW for each VST you simply sellect different MIDI Input.

Yes Nedim, but on windows systems you can only have on ASIO driver active at a time. I think that is what AFG is getting at.

On the MS system you can have up to ten ASIO engines all running at the same time.

It is a bit different to MIDI, although even that has limitations over the USB system on windows as there is a limit of 10 midi drivers.

I never know that the MS OS was able to support 8 or more USB controller.. ( never had the time for testing this features)

Nedim..I think you there still not have understand what is the difference from VST and multiple ASIO hosts.
For the VST, you need one host foor open it, like DAW Repaer or so on and ONLY one host at time then is able to run the VST.
If you use Reaper, mean that you have to create a session with the all VST open and every time you have to load a new session for one different setups.
Nice where IF you are able to run the Forte + the Reaper...but on windows is NOT possible.

On Linux Jack, we can running up unlimites ASIO host, it ean that EACH ASIO host sounds engine is like a independent sounds expander:

In this way on each ASIO expander you can also connect one external USB controller or USB keyboard and play direct to this host.
Here you can see one new example: http://www.lionstracs.com/store/komplete-os-p-244.html
So.. if you have running on MS 10 ASIO sounds host, press one KEY and they will run automatically, then you can also connect externally another 10 USB master keyboards and play on each keyboard the desidered sounds Host engine.
get the idea?
( try under windows if you are able.. )

For Windows and Mac http://jackaudio.org so whats all the fuss about.

Bill

Can't wait...

Beats waiting for some decent music, I suppose

Yawn.... Troll Alert.

Go on Diki, repeat yourself for the 100th time before you accidentally do something positive or productive with your time instead.

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You can only run one ASIO host on Windows so it's function is limited by windows itself.

Where on a Linux system JACK can connect to multiple ASIO hosts, each running VSTi's.

Regards
James

Then i still stand correct...ehehehehehehe... Linux=Leopard Snow... (-:

Hi James and AFG
Download and load Linux onto a computer, and load Jack onto both it and Windows, and you will find that both operate identical.
Jack was the only thing that gave MS the edge over Neko, (For instance) however now it is available for Windows that edge has disappeared.
Also don’t forget console and energy XT allow you to run host’s within host’s anyway

Bill

You can only run one ASIO host on Windows, so how is the function the same when under Linux you can communicate with other ASIO hosts ?



This program ? http://www.energy-xt.com/index.php?id=0101#main=1

Can you point out where in it's feature list it offers such a function. I've never heard of this program before I don't see anything that suggests it can run more than one ASIO host.

Regards
James.

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Hi James
You can use 1 ASIO host for each soundcard, (Or 2 if you add ASIO4all) thus with one soundcard you can run 2 standalone VSTi.
By adding the Jack program you can use multiple standalone applications simultaneously with just the one ASIO host. (Hence AFG’s exciting moment is easily achievable with Windows)
The ASIO specification only allows for one host, however by using Jack, you get the same performance as if it allowed multiple ASIO.
If you look on the MS Jack screen you will find only one Mediastation output, the others are for connecting directly to other VSTi. (It may look like dedicated multiple ASIO hosts/driver’s (Particularly the way they are named) however there is in fact only one)
Note: The layout looks exactly the same in Windows.

Energy XT and Console are VST Hosts which can be used standalone, or can be used as a plug-in, thus expanding the capabilities of the standard VST Host.
Example using OAS: If I load Kontakt into slot 1, all I can use is Kontakt, (I have to use another slot if I want to use another VSTi)
If I load Energy XT or Console into slot 1, I can then load multiple VSTi into energy XT or Console, (As they are hosts) and access them all using just slot 1. (Leaving the other slots free for other VSTi or other instances of Energy XT/Console)
Hope this makes things clearer

Bill

Bill, I don't think Windows will run multiple Asio Hosts with this program..

Is not more simple to download the Jack windows version and test if will working at the same Linux way?
Just run Jack and look who will take the ASIO audio-midi port.
then run the B4II.exe and more other standalone.exe application and try to connect, simple.
VSTi have Nothing to do, they need one ASIO host or they can not opened.
If you get the same configuration as my Jack shoot here, try to test IF each ASIO.exe Do you have there some basic windows skill or not??

Hi abacus.



That's a far cry from what you were saying in your last post where there was no difference between the Windows and Linux functions when it comes to the ability of Jack.

There's a huge difference. The One ASIO HOST per sound card does not apply to Linux, that's a limitation of Windows.

ASIO4all is by no means a solution either. It's nothing other than an emulation of ASIO that drives up CPU usage in a big way depending on what VSTi you use. You can also only run one instance of it too.



I think your getting confused here as to what the function of JACK is. JACK is not a multi host application. Neither is Energy XT from what I see. There is nothing on their website to suggest that they have overcome the problems assiated with Windows in this regard.

Lionstracs edge is not just Linux version of JACK over a Windows version, it's the Linux OS itself that gives you the ability to do so much more in JACK under Linux VS Windows.

Regards
James

Hi All
Load jack into Windows that has been setup for music and then load 8 Standalone VSTi, at the same time load the same 8 VSTi into Linux using the jack, and you will find the difference in performance and operation between the 2 is minimal. (Assuming the same CPU, Ram etc.)
Regards

Bill

Sorry for my trolling,

but since we can attach 8 different keyboards, can we at least attach one (1) camera with rca cables?

what you said about windows or mac about jack is different from MS linux OS. here we have qjack, it is a jack gui,but only for linux, i have kubuntu 9.10 karmik on my PC installed with wubi http://wubi-installer.org/ you can install with wubi linux ubuntu or kubuntu on you windows system, so you have both world linux and windows. you can install qjack from here on kubuntu http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/ but on MS/groove you have a special version of qjack i think with a other toool named VST host. you can mybe do this what i see on MS on a linux OS with low latency kernel but without controlers what i see here on MS/groove. it is very easy to do this on MS then on a Linux PC or windows or MAC. i worked mostly on windows pc or linux, but for music creation for me it wil be linux, becouse of low latency kernel. and on MS/groove you get a embeded linux os for lionstracs, so every thing is pre installed, this is special for people who can not easy use a PC or can not install linux OS, becouse with linux OS whean you install a software like qtractor you most be able to download some pckages from diffferent sites and places, you most install right kernel and .................

on MS / groove you one CD OS you installed and you are fenish with eveything you need for music. i tried 64studio linux OS for music to but it is noot easy like MS/groove OS


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