Hallo for all fan
After many years I am make on Lions what
is need for playng.I have diferrent ideas
for arranger and this is so close to finish.
Its not metter which style You use and sound.Matter is find keybord which can do it.Its easy to change sound and add sound in style.Now.Problem is deicide which preset list to use.Korg.Yamaha,Roland.
You can use Roland sound or other on Lions in style if think is better for style or make own Mega Voice.Add new LSCP list in Lions and play new style.
Thanks Domenic and mr Nortberg from Live-Styler
so one test mp3 song http://rapidshare.com/files/352622614/Lions_and_Live_styler_test-01.mp3.html
I am noy use FILL for now
its only test for sound a how works in style and solo
only record and post on web
greetings
Trosa

SO if i understand what you are trying to say correctly :

You made preset lists of sounds for Korg, Yamaha, ROland, Ketron sounds, and when you choose these sounds you mediastation sounds like one of them..

But you need to choose which preset list to use, so either you are sounding like a Korg or a Yamaha but never like a mix of them?

The style and solo voices sounded okay to my ears...

hi and welcome back Trosa,

but your link is not working,

use other filesharing, rapidshare is not good anymore

Hi

Link worked fine some hours ago.
Now it is gone!

Strange...

Regards
Jørgen

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The Unofficial YAMAHA Keyboard Resource Site

it wil be deleted by rapidshare after 10 downloads

No offense, but a style demo without fills doesn't reveal whether something works or not. Heck, a WS can be setup to chord follow and play simple patterns...

It's how sections flow together that reveal whether something is musical or not.

Do you ever actually PLAY something without fills? Without breaks, without Intros or endings, without anything but the one pattern? If not, you have to realize how little use demoing something that no-one would ever do really is. I really am interested in hearing what you've done, but I'm curious as to why you would want to demo it so barebones..? Are you having problems with the fills?

I was one of the first to download the MP3 when it was still there, and it felt like the OP was trying to let us hear the great solo voices of the mediastation over a simple style in the background.

Back to square one, then...

How many times does it need to be said? Yes, we ALL know you can add incredibly good RH sounds using VSTi's. BUT, if one has to do it at the expense of as good a style section, what's the POINT? Ivory Pianos over a PSR style section still sounds like a PSR. Colossus over a Roland still sounds like a Roland. The potential for this product is immense. And the execution of that potential is still minuscule, IMO.

Want GIGA sounds over a PSR? Buy a V-Machine, play it from your PSR Save yourself a couple of thousand...

But then if the Mediastation plays native Ketron Audya styles (dont start the copyright discussion again) and you can play solo VSt's over that, it would be the best of two worlds, best styles combined with best solo sounds.

can some one upload this demo again please?

http://www.irishacts.com/lionstracs/trosha-demo01.mp3

Trosha, if you have a problem with me reposting your demo just let me know and I will remove it.

Regards
James

In the guys defence Diki, there's nothing wrong with the demo, it's the song that goes nowhere and it was written that way.

Go download the midi file and have a listen and you will see what I mean. It's the same beat with no variation from start to finished.

You should know this, it's a very popular song.

Regards
James

well
I dont use to much Fill on my live
perfomance.And i will record new demo
song today with all Var and Fill
Greetings
Trosa

Awesome, i can't wayt to hear it...

Well, the original recording has pickups and fills... if the MIDI file sucks, that's hardly a justification for the style doing the same Thanks for posting the demo... Now, honestly, do you think this really represents any kind of quantum leap forward in arranger sound?

I anxiously await the demos of the MS doing Ketron styles In all fairness, if they are as unimpressive as all the demos so far posted using Yamaha styles, I don't think that Ketron is going to sweat. But you have to understand the copyright issue. Let us get VERY fanciful here, and just pretend that the MS ends up actually being able to do the Ketron styles, better than Ketron's themselves (as unlikely as that seems). But let's assume it, though...

What happens to Ketron, should their body of content be copied? Would Ketron sales suffer, as a result? No-one's going to buy a Ketron if the MS does it as well (or better) and does so much more TOO... So what happens to Ketron's styles? They dry up, of course. They stop being made, and NOW what use is your software?

But, the bottom line is, just like the Yamaha style player (and the failed T2 clone project, from years ago) is that the hype is never going to match reality. Yamaha styles on the MS fail to impress at all, and one can reasonably conclude that the Ketron project will go the same route.

But, should they ever succeed, don't discount the harm that leeching of of others' copyrighted content could do to the industry. I am SURE that Dom would be concerned if someone successfully reverse engineered the entire MS project, and posted full details about it for free on the Web so you could make your own MS clone without paying him a red cent for all his work. Copyright infringement is a FAR more complex issue than most here would LIKE it to be...

Dickey much you boring with the copyright laws.Not interest me at all ..
Everyone buys sintsizajear for self.To me is important that I can do what I want my
synth.If should to remap a style or a delete a certain given that we would
did what we need.Yamaha the Tyros is selected from me because at least
sound.Tyros 3 has about 750 compared to a 1500 Roland to sound.
And Yamaha has CUSTOM VOICE BANK where you can sample the add own sound.
128 sound places.So You could made style for themselves without the other converted
style.If just love to do to.I do not have to buy new every few years keyboards.Only adding sound and style.I if you do not have to like Lionstracs dont buy.Play it to your Roland and adda money to constantly adds new series.

Hi Diki
1. Ketron style play has nothing to do with Lionstracs; it is an additional program to the Livestyler software http://www.live-styler.de/home which will be available to all Livestyler users at a cost.

2. The MS is designed for the Workstation market, however software is provided that can be loaded into the MS if required that will allow you to create styles. (It is not being marketed as a play the chord, and everything is done for you type of keyboard)

3. As to whether Livestyler will come with the Ketron loops is unknown. (My guess is that it will come with a selection of free loops that are available on the web, and that sound similar to the Ketron loops, or will be licensed from Ketron)
Note: for existing Ketron styles the Livestyler has a mapping for the Ketron SD 2 module, and so if you plug one in you have full Ketron compatibility. (Excluding Audya)

4. You always say that arrangers are stale, and so do not attract younger users, yet those that do their own thing, (Create and use styles the way they want (And are usually younger than typical arranger players) are criticised because they don’t do Big, Band, Foxtrots, Swing etc. like the big arranger manufactures do.

5. If you want an arranger type keyboard for the young ones, the MS is it, because it doesn’t do Big Band, Swing etc. (Although if programmed it could do) but allows them to create and play their style of music. (No offence Diki, but I’m afraid you are stuck in an arranger rut, just like those that got stuck in the organ rut during the 90s, so it’s either move on or stay as you are, because the young ones sure aren’t going to do what their parents did/do)

Bill

the ketron audya styles do not include audio files in the file, they are midi files with triger comands for audio files i think. they can ad loops with the same BPM/bar and name in the audio loop map for the style.as you said maybe they wil use ketron midi styles with third party loops. or maybe we can create audio styles on qranger then save the midi style triger file in ketron format and place the loops in audio map for that style.

and diki there wil come third party audio styles for ketron audya. for ketron audya style is licensed from EMC Style. i think EMC Style is licensed by ketron for that.
but i do not think they wil use ketron internal audio loops, before that they know the copyright rules about that.

I'm starting to think Diki is like some relentless Terminator robot that's actually broken and stuck in a loop.

chas

Still wayting on that new demo...

here http://www.4shared.com/file/227628597/5dd1c5f6/Lions_and_Live_styler_test_2.html http://www.4shared.com/file/227635897/9a03a7c8/Lions_and_Live_styler_test_3.html

You mean like all the fanboys that keep coming here to crow about the technical potential of equipment they either don't have or can't make great sounding music on?

What is it, now? Four or five YEARS, and still nothing posted that seriously challenges even a closed TOTL arranger, let alone surpasses one. Does it really take THAT long to make it sound good?

I'm going to keep saying the Emperor hasn't got any clothes on until he DOES dress up!

Posted here or on youtube?

Nothing IS posted here. Only links to where it IS posted. Link me to something good (sorry, but loop construction kit techno doesn't count, in my book... post something REAL to impress me).

Bottom line is, I already KNOW something good COULD be made on an MS. But what eludes us is any information about how long it takes to prepare it, to set it up for a full professional show, and, to be honest, the music itself. Most of what I have heard from the MS has been embarrassingly amateurish, at best. Where are the PROS posting their stuff? You know, like the YK&R guys do?

I'm no more stuck in a loop than the guys evangelizing this thing, IMO...

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