What are you using now, Lee?

Ian

Gary Diamond and I are friends. We talk on the phone frequently about music and many other things as well...

Its been enjoyable getting to know each other.

I know Gary has stated numerous times that he prefers Nursing Home work over that in Clubs. Its more profitable, less headaches, etc.

Are we really now at a point where if I say "Gary Diamond doesn't like to work in clubs" I've gone over some imaginary line and actually insulted him? Have I assumed that when he said/wrote that he didn't mean for all time?

If that's really where we are now, then a whole new ridiculous standard has come to be.

I've called out Diki many times in the past but I'm sorry-He's not deserving of the criticism that a few are directing at him. We've all seen Diki be rude in the past, and this isn't in the same stratosphere.

If you disagree with his assertions, then fine...just say so. But it doesn't mean he's taken some way over the top shot at anyone. He voiced an opinion...you disagreed. Fine, no big deal...

I think the drama is unnecessary...

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Bill in Dayton

[This message has been edited by Bill in Dayton (edited 02-20-2010).]

Well, Bill...easy for you to say, as it is not your situation.

I happened to think the times you called Diki out in the past were unnecessary, and he was not deserving of the criticism you directed at him, but, unlike you, I stayed out of it, because it was none of my concern.

I also didn't take sides, as that only makes things worse, and then we would have a bigger situation; and, sometimes the people who butt in, end up getting thrashed by the people involved.

After this post, I don't plan on pursuing the matter anymore, unless Diki wants to take this further in private emails...I made my point several times, and, although I can't speak for Diki, all I can do is hope he understands what I said, and why I said it.

So, if you have any further comments, please email me directly, and let's try and close what has become an unpleasant part of this thread, right here, and right now.

This is a forum, not a fight club, and I'm sure Chas never intended for his topic to end up this way.

My apologies, Chas.

Ian

Hmm, how do I figure out if a particular thread "concerns me?" Bah...Forum members have every right to participate in any thread they choose to. I've been a member of the SZ for many years and have an appreciation for the friendliness and tolerance of differing opinions that I saw back then. You probably do as well. Neither one of us is a Johnny Come Lately. Maybe if long term members speak up more we might raise the bar a tad.



So, was spaulding out of line by taking your side? (Of course not...)



There's plenty of riffs here that go ignored and not commented on. In my opinion, you grossly over reacted to Diki's comments and took this to a higher level yourself. I have no quarrel with you not agreeing with him at all. You're good with words, you could've easily explained why you felt he was wrong and we all could've moved on. Good grief, you make it sound like he insulted you to your face, your family, your community and who knows who else? Questioned your personal character, cut you to the quick. It was, to many of us, a slight mis-step - if a mis-step at all.

To be fair, Diki tried repeatedly to explain what he meant, no malice intended, but that wasn't good enough for you. THAT's what I found overly dramatic and inappropriate on your part.

We're probably not going to agree on this and that's ok. We've never banged heads before and I don't expect we will again anytime soon. I'll ponder your words seriously and I ask you do the same to mine. Maybe we'll both be better for it?

Congrats again on your work and being recognized in Keyboard Magazine. That's one very cool feather in your cap.


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[This message has been edited by Bill in Dayton (edited 02-21-2010).]

To be fair, I tried repeatedly to make my points as well, but to no avail.

Dramatic and inappropriate? Me?

Can't say I agree with you there, either...certainly no more dramatic and inappropriate than you were when you called Diki out.

I asked that the disrespectful, flippant, and totally unnecessary comments, which I pointed out very clearly, with an explanation why I found them inappropriate, to be acknowledged and then not to be repeated.

Hardly dramatic and inappropriate, my friend, and hardly a task too difficult for someone of Diki's intelligence and character.

I don't expect you to be empathetic, although it might be nice if you could, as you have had to deal with a related situation, but, failing that, I would hope your own experience might remind you to be less judgemental.

Thanks for your kind words about the article in the magazine.

Ian

Bill, I'm going to respectfully disagree with you here, in the sense that I fail to see where Ian did anything wrong. In his first response to Diki's post, he stated his feelings and his case clearly and succinctly, and frankly, it should have ended there (the riff). Neither of these guys are mean or malicious, and clearly Diki was just trying to use what he considered a familiar scenario to make a point, but in so doing, introduced facts not in evidence, ie. projecting how Ian would react in a hypothetical situation. Ian didn't like it, said so, and asked that another example be used. A really lightweight apology ("sorry pal, no malice intended", etc.) followed by a different example, preferably one that didn't involve forum members (why take a chance on invoking bad feelings from someone), would have nipped this in the bud.

The biggest problem here is that both guys (both of whom I consider friends) along with a few others here (not me, of course ), suffer from "lastworditis". We just can't seem to 'let it go' without one last ditch effort to make our point (the next post for Diki or Ian is going to prove my point ).

Hey, no harm, no foul. They were friends before this and they'll be friends after this. Diki is grumpy because of all the unseasonably cold weather (for Florida) and Ian is suffering from 'cabin fever'.



chas

Me want the last word?

Never.

Ian

I ALWAYS have the last word - "YES, DEAR" ...
t.

Tony you are a wise man!!! That helps explain why have been happlily married all these years!

Oops, I hear my name being called, sorry folks I have to leave now, my wife is calling ..........be right there hun! LOL

Here's a fun tune that describes the understanding my wife and I have...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP4O6l5zbN4



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Bill in Dayton