Hi, does anyone else have a problem playing a Bb/C chord on Yamaha arrangers? My keyboard always want's to play Bbadd9/C which I don't want, it totally changes the sound of the arrangement. The only way I can get it to work is to move the 'chord recognition' split point a mile up the keyboard. And with only 61 notes, that doesn't leave much room for melody notes.

Actually, moving the split point doesn't work either on the Yamaha. So I can't play a Bb/C chord unless I go into 'FULL KEYBOARD' mode, and in that case I need to play it with the right hand sounds which I didn't want to do (especially with the bass note needing to be so low.)

Some Yamaha arrangers (low end) do not have a "fingered on bass" feature - a real mistake IMO.

my technics kn6000 has that feature - the chord SHOWS as Bbadd9/C and PLAYS a 'C' bass note if the bottom note of the chord I play is 'C' .... is that what you are looking for?
t.

[This message has been edited by tony mads usa (edited 03-09-2010).]

Hi,

in Pa2X using the "expert" mode you can see the following relationship between positions and recognized chords:

- C + Bb -> C7 chord
- Bb + C -> C/Bb
- C+D+F+Bb (or C+F+Bb+D) -> Bb/C

plus a number of rootless (jazz) chords.

Hope this help.

Best regards.

Actually, It's a brand new S910 that I just took out of the box. I'm in 'FINGERED ON BASS' mode and I want to play a simple Bb/C chord.

Really, any chord with the 9th in bass turns the top chord into an 'add9' chord, but I don't want the arrangement playing add9, it gives a whole different flavor. Just want a simpler Bb arrangement with the bass note on C.

Play C on bottom, followed by D, F and Bb. It should give you the standard triad over C bass.

Appreciate the suggestion, but I still get Bbadd9/C when playing C-D-F-Bb.

When you play that configuration of notes are you saying that the bass note that is played is Bb ? ...
t.

Nope, I do get the C in the bass, however, the arrangement for the Bbadd9 is different then for a plain Bb chord. So I end up getting notes mixed in there that I don't want. It's the same as if I want a Bb/G chord, the arranger interprets this as Gm7 and changes the notes of the arrangement to include the 7th degree, but I only want an arrangement of Bb notes with the bass playing G.

Update: Support from Yamaha helped me find the chord. I'm not sure if this is an undocumented feature, but no one here seem to know?

To get Bb/C you hold down
C - C# - Bb - D - F

I guess the C# converts it to the correct chord I want!

Still having problems finding Bb/G. Anyone?

Do you have the internal setting on "fingered on bass"? Or what do you have the 910 setting as?

And that is EXACTLY why you should avoid these things like the plague...

Anything that makes you play a WRONG CHORD to get a right one is insane... and unmusical, and teaches bad habits, and...

kdistefano,

To get the S910 (or Tyros) to play a Bb/C instead of a Bbadd9/C, you must voice the chord C-D-Bb.

You can be in On Bass Fingering, or AI Fingering...the former seems more natural to me.

The display will read Bb*/C, but it is the correct sounding chord.

It also works for chords like C/D...if you play D-E-G-C (in On Bass) you will get Cadd9/D, but if you play D-E-C you will get C*/D.

So, essentially, you must leave out the 5th of the chord (when in root position)... with Bb chord it would be F, and with C chord it would be G.

I hope this helps.

Ian


[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 03-11-2010).]

zuki> Yes, fingered on bass mode

Diki> Avoid all arrangers, or avoid the S910?

ianmcnll> Interesting. Yes your Bb*/C chord gets me an even different flavor then the actual Bb/C chord. Have you tried that? You press C-C#-F-Bb-D to get it. I think I like the sound of that better (would depend on the context actually). So what exactly do these 'star' chords stand for anyway? I don't see them in my documentation. I pressed C-C#-Bb and got a 'C*' cord. Interesting sounding chord for sure...

Get one of these http://www.roland.co.uk/products/productdetails.aspx?p=880&c=82 and you wont need to bother about On Bass


[This message has been edited by abacus (edited 03-11-2010).]

I did a recording using the Love Song style as an example, using only the bass and piano parts and reading off the score, the chord I suggested, C-D-Bb, gives you a bass note (bass guitar) of C, and a piano triad above consisting of C-D-Bb...so it's leaving out the 5th and using the C as root of the piano chord.

The first one you tried, Bbadd9/C, C-D-F-Bb gives a bass note(bass guitar) of C, and a D-F-Bb-C piano chord above, again using D as the root.

Use whatever works for you....I never use the one with the C# in it...I use either Bb*/C, or Bbadd9/C.

I'm not sure what the Star "*" stands for...I think it is when the keyboard can't recognize that type of chord, but it's just a guess.

Ian


[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 03-11-2010).]

Avoid fingering methods that have you play WRONG notes as a shortcut to getting what you want... They force you to have NO LH sound, for a start off (otherwise you would HEAR that awful C#!), and then they make you learn arcane fingering (just how WOULD you play all those notes together in one hand, anyway?), which, if you are a beginner, teach all KINDS of bad habits...