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Hi Diki,

I've had a Yamaha PSR-3000 now for more than 5 years and I'm still completely in love with it! I've modified all the newer Yamaha arranger styles to work on my PSR-3000.

But, if I could I would upgrade to the Audya. Until then, I'll keep on improving the material available for the 3K.

Keep well,
Henni

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I think you had better go out and have a listen to an S910, and even a T3 if you can find (or afford) one. The guitar parts are STREETS ahead of the old 3k. There are new transpose tables that address what I said about guitar voicings changing depending on key, and some much better amp simulators and rock guitar parts...

That's a what, six or seven year old design you got there, isn't it? Things move pretty quick in music technology...

For its' day, the 3k was state of the (MOTL) art. But you REALLY need to listen to how things have got better. It isn't just the styles. It's the sounds they use, and the OS that plays them...

Ask anyone here. Ask them if they think the guitar parts are better on an S910 than a 3k...

Diki,

Now I know you will not believe this. I played the new T3 for awhile and it's own styles did not sound all that much better that it's converted styles on my 3K. I've read more than one post where 3K owners state that the S910 does not sound any better than their 3K using the modified styles.

Yes, I would like the guitar chord and MP3 player/recorder functions, but over and above that the added cost would not be justified.

Truly, I speak from others also who feel the same way when I say this. I'm sure some of them will chime in on this. The PSR-3000 is a great arranger that truly was ahead of it's time.
http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php?topic=11115.0

Regards,
Henni

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I guess bottom line is, have you ever heard an arranger with better guitar style parts than the T3/S910?

Because, if you haven't, those are some incredibly talented programmers and arrangers doing that programming. And I hate to say it, but if THEY can't make guitar styles up to your standards, it is quite possible that NO-ONE can, given the sounds and the technology you have. In truth, there's a REASON the Audya went to audio loops for guitar parts. Because it simply is not possible to do it as well in MIDI. If it could, do you think they would have gone with such an expensive solution?

The reason that SMF's occasionally (very occasionally, IMO!) get a better guitar sound is that, the part is the part... It isn't expected to play any chord, any voicing. It simply plays what it IS. Put the same file in an arranger as a style part, and you will quickly see how the NTT messes the whole part up, how different chords get messed up an un-guitaristic. It's a non-linear instrument, with weird rules, being played by a robot with the wrong rules, into sounds with a fraction of the expression and nuance a real guitar gets.

To be honest, I am astonished at how WELL the Yamaha's get it, considering all that. But if that isn't good enough for you, Henni, well, best of luck with your quest... You ever succeed, let us know..!

Hi Diki,

Never stated that the current Yamaha styles are not good enough for me. I LOVE my Yamaha and the styles.

At first nobody believed that the newer Yamaha styles could be made to play on the older models like mine (same situation as this topic). Then along came Jorgen and a few other die hards and now we have absolute beautiful styles for our older models. And they sound good too.

So, I did not say that these multipads CAN be done the way I want it - but I'm going to try and if it works, it will once again add a new dimension to our older keyboards.

When I was younger, I upgraded with every new model, but when one gets older, it seems to me that life just gets in the way and it is not so easy to do anymore.

I do programming for a living, but nothing to do with midis or music. So I'm willing to give it a try. I am not even close to the level of the professional Yamaha programmers, but just maybe my need is different to theirs. And if it cannot be done, there is nothing to loose. I'll still love my little Yamaha just the same.

Just maybe some talented programmers see the gap and start to produce some beautiful guitar multipads. Who knows, maybe I just started something here.

Cheers,
Henni

No-one agrees with you more than I about staying and learning thoroughly older keyboards, Henni. Had my G1000 for over ten years before I moved to the G70, had that five years and counting, now, and fully expect at least another five out of it, if not more!

But I try to stay realistic about my expectations of what can and can't be done with the technology. My only intent with my comments previously were, if you are dissatisfied with Yamaha's best, current GUITAR parts (regardless of how you feel about the overall arranger), which from your quest to find better ones (as good as the Audya's!) one can only infer, I am afraid you have a VERY uphill battle.

I tend to believe that I seldom come across user styles that BETTER the best ROM styles, simply because they use the best, most talented players and programmers they can. If THEY can't get Yamaha guitars as good as Ketron audio ones, you may be tilting at windmills. Possibly, with luck, you might be able to get as good as they have managed, but significantly better is a very tall order...

But, should you succeed, give Yamaha a call. They might be interested in using you for their NEXT batch of style programming if you can get a PSR3000 to sound as good as an Audya, at least in the guitar section..!

Diki, you are funny! :-)

Henni