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#285247 - 04/10/10 08:27 AM Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
Dnj Offline
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I have been closely reading these posts buy owners especially that actually have an Audya trying to dissect what they are saying. Now after such a long time Ketron releases OS4.0.....so now after you installed it are the improvements to your liking and do they make much of a difference to bring the Audya up to the standards everyone was expecting & would lead someone to spend the money to purchase one now.

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#285248 - 04/10/10 08:45 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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A bit early don't ya think? Ask this in a week... or month... or ???... when Ketron actually gets OS4 to those of us who own an Audya. For the amount I paid for this thing, they should fly someone over here and hand deliver it. I love the Audya but this is beyond ridiculous. DonM and I both have one and toot their horn a lot, deservedly so, but sheesh... what is so hard about this?
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#285249 - 04/10/10 08:55 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
Dnj Offline
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Bill...I understand it's a early ...BUT.....I figured I'd start this thread so that as people update we can all have a discussion and hear about what owners think & experience as they continue on after they install OS 4.0. This OS4.0 could be the make or break of Audya, I hope not.

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#285250 - 04/10/10 09:26 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by SemiLiveMusic:
For the amount I paid for this thing, they should fly someone over here and hand deliver it. I love the Audya but this is beyond ridiculous. DonM and I both have one and toot their horn a lot, deservedly so, but sheesh... what is so hard about this?


Anyone who has this logic has made a huge mistake in their purchase. Never, and I mean never, buy a product based upon what a manufacturer tells you it will be. If the product doesn't do what you need it to at the time you originally purchased it take into consideration it may never do what you need it to even after numerous software revisions. Caveat emptor!

I don't find the Audya to be that much more expensive than the competition either. Perhaps here in the USA you can get a Korg or Yamaha cheaper than an Audya but in other parts of the world the difference in price isn't that far apart. You also have to take into consideration what this instrument has that the competition doesn't to decide whether the price difference is justified for you.

I paid more for my Fairlight CMI Series III back in the 1980's than I did for my house but you'll not hear me complain about it. There simply was no other product like it and the instrument paid for itself many times over in the work I yielded from it. I guess its all relative to what you do with the product and what it and you are capable of. Just because the instrument has the capability doesn't mean the end user does.

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#285251 - 04/10/10 10:12 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Dnj

I just think we have to wait for the rest of OS4...
The actual new sounds, the new audio loops, new drums, new guitars, new styles...
Before we can fairly test/review new Audya

we have our appetizer
now we just have to wait for the main course. ;-)


[This message has been edited by leezone (edited 04-10-2010).]

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#285252 - 04/10/10 10:47 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
Dnj Offline
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Lee...I understand but why in pieces....after all this time shouldn't it be a complete OS upgrade I would think. At one tme I was really serious about buying an Audya right after the Shreveport jam last year when I saw it demoed by AJ.....but now a year and a half l8tr & so much controversy & confusion I'm not so sure anymore. I'm glad I waited ...as I am not a very patient person.

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#285253 - 04/10/10 11:02 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
leezone Offline
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I'm just glad that at least we have the OS out
that's promising in itself
I can't imagine the rest taking too much longer

AJ ??

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#285254 - 04/10/10 11:36 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
Dnj Offline
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Perhaps Ketron releases units not ready to gain more money from a few sales to create the upgrades l8tr on?..I hope not.

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#285255 - 04/10/10 11:48 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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My 2 cents, I get an uncomfortable feeling reading the new manual they uploaded on the new features. It's like they are trying to hide something, but just tick a box to say Yeah, it's has that now.

For example, the sampler.
Ok so you can record and loop a sound. But what about everything else ? The manual tells you nothing at all. Does it support any known third party formats, can you cross fade, time stretch, truncate, reverse, re-sample... and so on.

The same goes for all the other new functions. Style eidit, is there an event edit mode, step record ?

Why no freaking Sequencer ? This is not acceptable for a keyboard of this price.

And where is the rest of the OS ?. Where are the new sounds ?. If it were finished and ready it would be online. Straight out I'm saying I don't trust Ketron. Bandwidth worries is like a lie to me when there are so many other ways large files can be shared.

Again...my 2 cents.... wait until OS 4.0 is really out, all of it, and people give real feedback on what it actually has.

James.

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#285256 - 04/10/10 11:59 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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I dont understand the descriptions either, a lot of them are deceitfull, now and before.
Millions of time me and people asked about Style Creator and AJ kept going with:
Now you can mix and edit your styles and save them as user...you can edit the FX
the Audio parts and Midi parts...hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
thats not a Creator helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...................
And the question was Avoided or answered deceitfully...i dont know man...funny,
i gave up on Audya Loooooongggggg ago.

[This message has been edited by Nedim (edited 04-10-2010).]
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#285257 - 04/10/10 01:04 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
leezone Offline
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hey Nedim,

when i get my AUDYA4 we can have an AUDYA/pizza party?

interested?

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#285258 - 04/10/10 01:08 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Come on guys...most of you wouldn't buy the Audya anyway....It is easier to speculate what it may not do and continue your discussion...eliminating any intent to purchase one...My bet..it is too expensive for most of you to start with....

The true Ketron fans will be content and support Ketron with the purchase...not the discussion..

In the end...it still is the best sounding keyboard on the market today...
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#285259 - 04/10/10 01:22 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Hey FRAN: YOU JUST NAILED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#285260 - 04/10/10 01:24 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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BTW:..It is too expensive for me too...

But I like what I hear...I will wait till Don Mason offers his for under $2,000..
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#285261 - 04/10/10 01:28 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
Dnj Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
In the end...it still is the best sounding keyboard on the market today...


I can't agree with that statement but to each his own.....until "Proven Otherwise" I still say Yamaha MOTL/TOTL has the Arranger market licked, especially sound & style wise imo.

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#285262 - 04/10/10 01:34 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
leezone Offline
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is OS4 a good reason to buy an AUDYA now?

well, maybe IF they were available :-)

unless of course you are talking about the "old" 76-Key :-)

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#285263 - 04/10/10 01:44 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
Dnj Offline
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Lee I would say the minute there is an inkling of rumor that Yamaha, KORG, or Roland is coming to market with a new MOTL/TOTL Arranger sadly Audya hype will be history. I seriously hope they get their act together for the consumers sake.
They aren't fooling anyone with their tactics..

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#285264 - 04/10/10 02:04 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
leezone Offline
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Dnj,

i dont agree

Ketron is Ketron, that LIVE sounding , real band type arranger lots have grown to love

and Roland, Korg, Yammy have that OTHER sound which others have grown to love,

for ME, folk/latin/portuguese musican,
KETRON is the WINNER, by a landslide

for you, maybe it's Yamaha,

just TRY one out, if you haven't yet, is all i can say/suggest

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#285265 - 04/10/10 02:08 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
leezone Offline
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dnj and everyone,

forget what others say, everyone will have opinions, likes, and dislikes with ALL arrangers

just try them all YOURSELF and decide for YOURSELF which is best for what YOU need

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#285266 - 04/10/10 02:33 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
Fran Carango Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
I can't agree with that statement but to each his own.....until [b]"Proven Otherwise" I still say Yamaha MOTL/TOTL has the Arranger market licked, especially sound & style wise imo.

[/B]


It only has to be proven to each of us..individually....unless you are buying the instrument for us...then your opinion would count too..

To ME!!!! there are only one or two stellar sounds on the Yamaha boards..the styles don't do it for me...the overall sound also is not what I am looking for...
The Ketrons have a very realistic band feel to their sound...that is not achieved by Yamaha...and the styles are considerably better than Yamaha styles..not all but the vast majority..The live sound adds to this..

Personally, I like the Roland (G70/E80}..also for the more realistic sounds/styles and drums...and most of the styles are better than average....also you can mute some tracks and it still sounds good....It didn't sound as good on the Tyros3 I had for two days...

The other plus with the Ketron and Roland (Korg PA2x too)..the key feel...they feel like you are playing a quality instrument...you accordion players adapted to poor key feel and never out grew it..

As the man said ..to each his own..until it is proven to you..
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#285267 - 04/10/10 02:38 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:


The true Ketron fans will be content and support Ketron with the purchase...not the discussion..

In the end...it still is the best sounding keyboard on the market today...


Sure is a lot of money for a work in progress...

Sometimes such blind praise actually undermines an instrument in the eyes of intelligent observers. All the TOTL arrangers, even your old G-70, have great sound, and you will not find any consensus beyond that.

It's fine to have a preference, but to dismiss the excellence of the other manufacturer's arrangers is to be rather lacking in discrimination and sensibility.

Ian
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#285268 - 04/10/10 02:45 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
leezone Offline
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Ian,

the G-70 is great
the AUDYA is GREATER
for me of course :-)

Ian, would you ever give the AUDYA a fair chance...
and actually try one out live?

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#285269 - 04/10/10 02:52 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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I think we can all agree that Tony Hughes was the most upset, totally bashing Ketron for months on end.

If you read his comments in the Ketron Forum, he is a very happy customer right now.

He said his Audya is a different keyboard.

"The live drums are larger than life on OS4, if you thought for one minute they were good on Os3.0, they certainly are mind boggling now. I think that Roberts has had a lot to do with OS4 even though he lives in Canada and Ketron in Italy, the World isn’t that big anymore with the Internet. If he has had much to do with Audya he’s done an excellent job of it, this is not the same keyboard I bought last year, and it’s moved up 5 gears!
If you close your eyes and listen to Robert playing the Audya its sound like it says on the button, but 100 times better. "

So is it worth it ?
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#285270 - 04/10/10 03:13 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:
Ian,

the G-70 is great
the AUDYA is GREATER
for me of course :-)

Ian, would you ever give the AUDYA a fair chance...
and actually try one out live?


Perhaps the Audya is greater than the G-70, but it depends on what "greater" means to you.

I like an overall balanced sound, not just robust bass and drums...the G-70 (and Tyros3, and Korg PA2Xpro) have a far better balanced sound, when I compare the on-line demos.

That makes them "greater" to my ears.

I'll probably never see or play an Audya, I'm afraid, for it is too much of a mystery for the music dealers in my territory to risk the investment of bringing one in....so I have to rely on on-line demos for comparison.

Other than the more robust (and often, too loud) drums and bass, I fail to hear anything else that trumps similar products by the big three.

Ian
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#285271 - 04/10/10 03:15 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:
Dnj, just TRY one out, if you haven't yet, is all i can say/suggest


Lee, no offense but I have performed with many Ketron arrangers and modules, X1, X9, Midjay, Sd1, and always went back to Yamaha for various reasons...that drum & bass argument gets a bit old after a while.... There were however many features I did enjoy on Ketron products but the total package for MY needs on stage weren't enough to make me keep it.
I respect your opinion and hope you will enjoy whatever you decide to purchase and use.

Good luck.



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#285272 - 04/10/10 03:27 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Yeah, it's a real shame that Tony hasn't bothered to be as effusive in his praise of the Audya on THIS forum as much as he was determined to bash it while he had his (mostly self-inflicted) problems a while back. After dominating this forum bashing it incessantly, he ONLY posts his positive comments somewhere else. It unbalances the coverage, IMO.

I remember, after trashing the Audya for his button problem, after he actually got around to doing what some of us had suggested for AGES (and he had dismissed as not the answer) and it was finally fixed, he never even BOTHERED to post here saying it was fixed, and how he got it fixed. Now, after slamming it relentlessly for months, he chooses to post all his praise of it on the Ketron forum only. So those trolling this forum for information only have the bad stuff to read.

It's just like the newspapers... slander a guy on page one, and print the retraction on page eleven, in with the unread articles...

As to the Audya issue, as with most arrangers, I honestly think most people get their likes and dislikes of an arranger FAR more from the ROM styles than they do from any technical aspects of the OS itself. Those that primarily play Latin music are Ketron's most fervent fans. Then those that REALLY want that 'live' sound are the next bunch that admire it... But Korg and Roland (if you discount the guitars in Roland's case) are not THAT far behind it, especially if you voice them right and let the drums be as upfront as Ketron's usually are mixed. And they can be had FAR cheaper than the Audya.

But OS4 has introduced MANY quite important features, some of which, yes, SHOULD have come out in OS1 but some of which are quite new and beyond what was initially announced, so it's fair to say that, although the Audya IS a 'work in progress', it's no more a work in progress than say the PA2Xpro, which has been updated to include new features like DNC, but nobody is bitching that that SHOULD have been invcluded in OS1

Let us not forget that Yamaha have a sampler, too, on the T3, but it has next to NO editing, and NO import of any format whatsoever other than its' own (multisample import, that is), and AFAIK, can't even record samples using its' own hardware. So give the Audya a break... for an arranger, its' extra features are pretty much on a par for most arrangers save perhaps the PA2Xpro. And some of them are FAR in advance of Korg's, who still suffer from a paltry three fills, and gets a much bigger break about it than its' users are prepared to give the Audya...

To be honest, for every feature missing from an Audya (some of which are pretty irrelevant, IMO, like a full onboard sequencer - no-one doing SERIOUS sequencing is working in the box, these days), it has two or three that nothing else has. Not bad, really!

But, if you bother to listen to all the demos available for each arranger, most people's opinion of them still boils down to whether you like the styles or not, and what each of us is looking for in that department varies radically... so it's unsurprising our opinions of the same arranger vary radically, too.
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#285273 - 04/10/10 04:10 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
leezone Offline
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well said Diki,

we are agreeing more and more these days

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#285274 - 04/10/10 08:56 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
My bet..it is too expensive for most of you to start with.... [/B]


Not too expensive for me...its not more expensive from OL NEKO XXL which comes to my
house soon...i had the chance to have Audya for only half the price, but its not worth it.
Trust me, if it was something good i would've had my own already...sadly thats not the case.
NEKO will cost around 7500$, Audya 5000$ and for
me probably wayyyy less...i am still not getting it.
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#285275 - 04/10/10 10:46 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Apples to apples, please, Nedim...

Neko isn't an arranger in the slightest. Audya isn't a VSTi host. Comparing the two (even pricewise) is utterly irrelevant.

And just about EVERYTHING is pretty cheap compared with a Steinway D..! But that really has no bearing on whether one arranger is over $1500 MORE than an equivalent TOTL arranger from another manufacturer (equivalent, at least, in the sense that both are the top of their respective ranges). There's much quite unique on an Audya, but OTOH, there's much that is actually missing, too. So it's not like its' almost Wersi-like price point is simply taking everything that the others already have and ADDING the extra stuff.

Audya is 'one step forward, one step back', rather than 'one giant leap for mankind', as far as I am concerned...
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#285276 - 04/11/10 06:06 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Apples to apples, please, Nedim...

Neko isn't an arranger in the slightest. Audya isn't a VSTi host. Comparing the two (even pricewise) is utterly irrelevant.

And just about EVERYTHING is pretty cheap compared with a Steinway D..! But that really has no bearing on whether one arranger is over $1500 MORE than an equivalent TOTL arranger from another manufacturer (equivalent, at least, in the sense that both are the top of their respective ranges). There's much quite unique on an Audya, but OTOH, there's much that is actually missing, too. So it's not like its' almost Wersi-like price point is simply taking everything that the others already have and ADDING the extra stuff.

Audya is 'one step forward, one step back', rather than 'one giant leap for mankind', as far as I am concerned...


I agree..

Neko is in a league of its own....the league of production music station...

-PRoduction station
-Workstation
-Solo synthesizer
-Arranger workstation
-Home arranger keyboard
-Stage piano
-Electronic Organ


All are digital keyboard instruments (which steinway is not) and all these types of keyboards someway have overlaps...
there are no strict borders between these different types of key instruments anymore and its allways possible to compare the taste of 2 different types of fruit with eachother...

Next to that... You can always change the Neko intoo an arranger with live-styler, but thats kind of trying to get a pineaple look like an apple...
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#285277 - 04/12/10 04:38 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Nedim,

You were invited by CMC a long time ago as guest to see and play an Audya before most people. At that time you had a lot of good things to say.

When you are invited as a guest by a company, I would think your comments would be a little more constructive vs destructive.

What did CMC and Ketron do to make you turn on them in such a negative way ?

Is it sound quality ? Styles ?
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#285278 - 04/12/10 04:45 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Nedim,

Here are your comments after visiting CMC in New York 02/04/2009. I'm just curious what happened ?

"Now back to start:
This particular Audya that i have in front of me is not a finished model, half of the OS is not there, half of Audio loops,
its around 50-60% of the Final Audya and yet...no arranger has impressed me this much in my life as up to date, NONE.
Hey, thats not a statement, thats only my liking and taste but we are way behind with any existing arranger, forget the
internet guessing and rummors, this is not an Arranger, nor competition to PA2X or T3, this is something else, new,
a begining of a new thing in music. Now, a 50-60% finished machine impressed me more then any existing machine.
God bless me when i recieve the Final Audya and to Lee, yes, it will have a nice EVENT and SAMPLING editor right
on it, on the synth, this aint SD5 or something like that. Ok, the INTELIGENT thing was one of the new things:

KEY TUNES: its a new thing and probably the thing that impressed me the most. It works like this, i'll try simple:
Lets say we have a KMP and on each Key we have a sample of Improvisation of some instruments, like loop,
you hit the key and you hear a nice guitar riff then next key some nice sax solo e tc...yes KMP would do the same thing
but it wont...KEYTUNE does it in a different way...it synchs it with the style and what happens to the sax solo is, if you
change the style the tempo of the sax solo changes, so no matter what key you hit the tempo is WITH STYLE.
In a way like Korgs Pads but not really, this is different its usfeull to me actually more for recorded Audio Solos and Impros.

MIDJAY: thats where the fun starts, as a stupid example, you take a song and you cut it in pieces and you save them as
DJ LOOPS which is MIDJAY file and then, each part at the same time is applied to Var 1 to 4 and also to Fills, Intros and else.
Right away it synchs with style, it can be thrown to a ACC track and you control each part thru variations like the style.
Ok, that might be useless, who would do that with MP3 song, i wont but...a percussion loop or drum loop even audio loop...
uuuuhhhh...gain, simillar to Korgs Pads but still different, in here, when you change Var the Pad changes too, its complex.
Yes, we all know about MidJay but integrated on the Audya is a whole new story now.

AUDIO STYLES: originally and Audya's agenda is to be an Audio Arranger, i mean Audio Controlled, not MIDI notes as any
conventional arranger. I have never EVER heard any better sounding Style then the Audio styles inside it, i hit my head in the
wall, it kills any existing arranger, including PA2XPRO or T3 and trust me, theres hell of a lot of Audio Styles in it.
Every Var next time you come back sounds different, every measure next time you come back is different. AJ was laughing
at me when i wanted to start sampling some of the snares and kicks off the rock styles, i went crazy, deppending on your playing
of the chords thats how the whole style behaves, every few seconds you hear some snare, bass line or something added in the
right time and position to make it sounds better and you never recorded those notes...YAYYYYYYY!!!!!! And the best is, if you
change chords too fast or in particular way, creates its own small FillIns, if you change a var in a wrong time again its own FILLIN.

SUPER SOLOS: or also called RAM INS, Ketron didnt use terminology as SA or SA2, MegaVoices or RX or DNC. Its a new thing,
there is no ASS.SW, everything is controller while playing, if you hit C then F it plays one thing and if you hit C then G is another
control, Velocity, Legato, Staccato, Aftertouch, speed between notes and many other things, those sounds are Amazing, when
i played the Trumpet from RamIns my eyes popped out. RAMINS is actually what we call the SampledSounds, they reside on the
HD, you LOAD them on a separate Bank, save them and when you start same as on the new PA, starts fast with the OS.

UPDATES: the synth has its own conventional ROM and also and HD for everything. After the release the synth will be worked
on for another 2 years, by factory, providing more styles, sounds and different OS, it is an Open Achitecture Synth, anything at
anytime is possible, if someones is willing to do it there is no limitation to this synth, OS, Sounds or Styles.

Those are the 4 things that impressedme the most, there is tonz new things we never used or heard of before but i cant write
whole book or a manual in here. The synths is also not as heavy as i expected, maybe lighter or exact as PA2X or or something.
Now, when it comes to Chord Recognition there was some fuss on here which was wrong, testing an unfinished model.
Every brand has its bad side in Chord Recognition, certain chords that Korg reads Yamaha wont and the opposite, this is the way
it is and we all know that for a fact. On the Audya actually when you change a chord on Audio Styles the riff and style itself changes,
the Guitars or the Bassline sound different like a real band would do. Honestly till today i was very pessimistic and scared about the
Audya.

Back to Audya, after all i said, its not even half, YES, there is secrets and a lot more to come then we know, trust me, therez more to it.
As for final release i cant say nothing, i have no clue but it is going to happen, this time. I dont know, i cant really write everything in
here, certain things i forgot to write...whatever, its not a bad intention writing this on here, i just wanted to share, this baby is coming to
my house nd it will stay there for loooooonnnnnngggg...this is a synth for the next 10 years.


Thanks for reading this."
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#285279 - 04/12/10 04:46 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by DanO1:
Nedim,

You were invited by CMC a long time ago as guest to see and play an Audya before most people. At that time you had a lot of good things to say.

When you are invited as a guest by a company, I would think your comments would be a little more constructive vs destructive.

What did CMC and Ketron do to make you turn on them in such a negative way ?

Is it sound quality ? Styles ?





I'm sure that's there more to this story than we know. Just before the Audya was released it was nothing but praises and lead people to think how he was also involved with its programming.
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#285280 - 04/12/10 05:39 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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my guess, and not my business of course

Nedim, i believe you truly like the AUDYA, it's styles and sounds, better than any other arranger

but i think its KETRON you don't like

whatever the case, enjoy what you buy/use

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#285281 - 04/12/10 05:39 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Tony Hughes was a huge Ketron basher and from a customers perspective he had a right to question some of the delay and miscommunication. But now he is happy and thinks the keyboard is 100 times better.

I just don't see how someone can continually talk bad about a keyboard that has under gone a transformation that makes it better than what it was 30 days ago or 1 year ago.



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#285282 - 04/12/10 09:00 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Golly, I do love the Audya sound, but this is quite like Peyton Place. Sorry, a tv series from way back when... full of drama. I couldn't help but say something. Here's to Ketron getting it right.
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#285283 - 04/13/10 09:07 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Crickets!!!!.......hmmm, I wonder why?
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#285284 - 04/18/10 07:00 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/021125.html

How can all OS4 have problems just after its release....when it took such a long time to be introduced? Hasn't Ketron been testing and working out all these OS4 bugs BEFORE HAND ...what gives here? This has to be so frustrating for Audya owners..I Know I'd be so aggravated by this is I owned one. IMO Audya shoud have never been released as to this day UNTIL they PERFECT its operation and make owners go thru this crap Shhhhhhheeeeesh !!! To have so called better Drums & Bass versus all these problems doesn't balance out.

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#285285 - 04/18/10 09:09 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/021125.html

How can all OS4 have problems just after its release....when it took such a long time to be introduced? Hasn't Ketron been testing and working out all these OS4 bugs BEFORE HAND ...what gives here? This has to be so frustrating for Audya owners..I Know I'd be so aggravated by this is I owned one. IMO Audya shoud have never been released as to this day UNTIL they PERFECT its operation and make owners go thru this crap Shhhhhhheeeeesh !!! ]



There isn't a single electronic keyboard released either closed or open ended that doesn't have bugs in the operating system. Don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise. Ketron may have allowed more bugs to slip by to release the 4.0 software earlier than they had hoped but in time (unless they go bankrupt or discontinue the Audya), these issues should get worked out over time.

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#285286 - 04/18/10 09:53 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ensnareyou:

There isn't a single electronic keyboard released either closed or open ended that doesn't have bugs in the operating system. Don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise. Ketron may have allowed more bugs to slip by to release the 4.0 software earlier than they had hoped but in time (unless they go bankrupt or discontinue the Audya), these issues should get worked out over time.


Don't worry I'm NOT fooled at all....but I feel bad for those who laid out $5000.00 for an arranger KB and have to go thru all this mess and confusion...if a product is NOT ready for release it shouldn't be offered to the public using them as Guinea Pigs...buyer beware I always say.

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#285287 - 04/18/10 01:53 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Donny, I have had zero problems with mine and I've been using it 5-6 nights a week for many months.
I haven't updated to 4.0 yet. I've sort of been waiting on the sounds and styles, but also to see if anyone has problems related to the update.
I have owned almost every arranger ever made, and this one comes closest to satisfying my every need. It sounds like a live band playing, is easy to operate and has been totally stable.
Perfect, oh no, but I certainly don't regret buying it, and only look forward to the improvements yet to come.
A couple of the issues on which non-owners have obsessed are really non-issues to me.
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#285288 - 04/18/10 09:42 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Don...thanx for chiming in, coming from you I feel better about the Audya with 3.0.....it's 4.0 that I was concerned about. Maybe I'll have to go to AJ's laboratory again and check one out for myself...
I haven't heard one since I was In Louisiana with you.

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#285289 - 04/19/10 10:32 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
so now after you installed it are the improvements to your liking and do they make much of a difference to bring the Audya up to the standards everyone was expecting & would lead someone to spend the money to purchase one now.[/B]


It would make difference to few but not to most, to me personally even if OS 15 was
released it is stil the same Amateurish machine lacking many basic things which cant
probably be added by OS, come on, its a 5000$ machine and not even a decent FX processor? Its sad.
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#285290 - 04/19/10 10:42 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by DanO1:
Nedim,

Here are your comments after visiting CMC in New York 02/04/2009. I'm just curious what happened ?


...i had a GF from Atlanta...at the time she was 23 and a virgin...sounded great, very DOWN TO EARTH girl, nice, quiet...
promised a lot of things...2 years later she ended up sleeping with 13 guys...thats what happened.

I do not work for Ketron i did not work for Ketron under a contract, i programmed what i programmed and that was it.
Based on what i got from Ketron it wont make me talk differently then i feel about something, as the example given
above...working for someone doesnt mean praising on empty hands. This has nothing to do with CMC or people,
it has to do with a 5000$ machine which cannot deliver what a 1500$ machine can...as someone else said above,
if a company promises its product delivers that doesnt mean the customer will do so or need so. There is no single
machine on the market that i cant sit on it and in few hours figure it all out, i am not showing of, it is just a sad fact
actually for me that i get bored right away with any machine, M3 is the only machine that i am still not bored after
year and a half...everything else has gone and sold...once i started working with Ketron machine right away i knew
there was no fun for me. It was the easiest machine i ever seen to operate, with basic features as start and stop and
change sounds...nothing else to it. If you invited me on a dinner at your house and it sucked that doesnt mean i have
to praise it later on, i will tell it as it is but that is ME and for ME...not for you or someone else. I do not play live, i do not
use the Vocal Harmonizer, nor any Live functions. I am a programmer and thats how i make a living which means i do
not care about certain Live features or in reality nor even how it sounds as long as it gives me the abilities to make it
sound the way i want (which Audya cant do that). My customers and community feel the same, its a different market
and it is people with BIGGER and WEIRDER needs then what the western world need...which also mean no work
and no money for me cuz none of them would buy it...now you understand my frustration...i know you do.

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#285291 - 04/19/10 11:22 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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so Nedim,

basically you have no need for a kick @ss ARRANGER

you have need for a WORKSTATION, computer or keyboard

so just because it doesn't have crazy editing capabilities, or FX capabilities, doesn't mean it sux,

the intent of an arranger is for a live musician, duo, tio,
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#285292 - 04/19/10 11:24 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Lee, to a point you are correct but also a lot of customers want the features i want, a lot of
them program their own sounds and styles or at least edit what i programmed and sold to them.
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#285293 - 04/19/10 11:30 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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and the fact that Ketron is easy to operate, old school is good in a way as many musicians are not SO computer savvy

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#285294 - 04/19/10 11:45 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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That’s a whole lot of back peddling and contradictions compare to what was stated previously. If there are personal issues between Ketron and yourself based on from what I read in your post, it is not helpful to other members when your responses are based on vindictive BS and serve no purpose but to bash Ketron.
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#285295 - 04/19/10 12:15 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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nedim,


If I was being considered for a job and made glowing remarks about a product that I was invited to see, hear, evaluate and posted those positive comments on a public forum on the internet.

Then after finding out that the job would work out, you start to publically trash the product, I would call that as having poor taste and being unprofessional.


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#285296 - 04/19/10 02:07 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by mc:
That’s a whole lot of back peddling and contradictions compare to what was stated previously.


I dont know how good your English is but i dont think you understood anything that
i said above...that exactly was my point of writing that above, explaining the contradictions.

Quote:
Originally posted by DanO1:


Dan, you are right and i see your point but if your cook was to be tested and then sent
to millions of other homes to cook dinners then i would have to say it sucked.
I know you will appreciate a good comment then but would it be a fair comment?


On the other hand, where do people see ME bashing at Ketron? I never bashed
Ketron in general nor i even BASH Audya it self, i am just stating facts, not opinions.
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#285297 - 04/19/10 02:31 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by DanO1:
If I was being considered for a job and made glowing remarks about a product that I was invited to see, hear, evaluate and posted those positive comments on a public forum on the internet.

Then after finding out that the job would work out, you start to publically trash the product, I would call that as having poor taste and being unprofessional.


Since you changed your post now what i said above probably wont make sense now:
I am repeating that i am not trashing the product, i just state facts that are there, we cannot
ignore those facts, i am not saying things out of my brain for no reason, trust me i know
exactly what i am talking about. This has nothing to do with a job being offered or anything,
i was/am in the area and had the opportunity to check the machine, which i have also done
for Korg, under different circumstances, in this case, Directly for Korg USA, under their own
menagement, together with Jerry Kowarski. I trashed/bashed (as you call it) them too, i was
asked to be honest, by Jerry for Korg and also by Ted for Ketron. Thats what i did. Not honest
with them but honest with the public cuz i deal with him a lot. They have probably been aware
of the damage/advertisement i could do but they chosed me to be honest. This is what i am saying:

1. It doesnt have a good FX processor
2. It doesnt have a Style Creator
3. It doesnt have a good Sampling Editor
4. It doesnt have any Sound editing capabilities
5. It doesnt have enough RAM for using Sampled material
6. Lacking all these things the price is too high

Now, i would like someone to ENLIGHTEN me where is in here the BASHING/TRASHING i am
saying or my opinions...are all of these 6 points something i created in my head???
Now, you keep crying YEAH BUT ITS AN ARRANGER WE WANT ARRANGER FEATURES.
Who cares? As you have the right to as for arranger features and bash at it cuz dont have some
dont i have the same exact right to say from my point of view or from my needs?

And as far as bashing/trashing goes, i never bashed Ketron as much as i did Korg, dont some
of you remember who was the reason of releasing 2.01 for PA in 2 weeks after 2.0???
Yes i know, they would've done so in the future anyways but why in 2 weeks this time?
Or was it probably something else? Or screaming at them directly, not just on public forums,
i mean screaming directly actually at people that ran the project itself...no way in hell i ever
bashed at Ketron but i did hell of a bash at Korg...even though i swear by their name.
James knows what i did, was doing and probably still doing.

MC, Enlighten me please where do you see any hatred for Ketron in here please???

I still dont understand


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#285298 - 04/19/10 02:41 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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My English is very well, but maybe I just don’t understand your metaphors of the Audya and 23 year old virgin and a bad dinner (what ever that means). But what I do understand is that your so called facts are a bit distorted and that I find you’re creditably less than stellar, with all do respect. Maybe you need to look back at some of your past posts to refresh your memory, since you seem to forget that you never “bashed” Ketron and it is all based of facts, but who’s I don’t know.

I also understand that you’re a businessman, but I don’t understand how slandering a company that may employ your services anytime in the future is beneficial to you or your company and how your conduct is viewed by other keyboard companies who drop in from time to time on this forum.
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#285299 - 04/19/10 02:47 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Well you probably didnt understand my point, your mentioning to my previous posts
is the reason why i gave those examples, refering exactly to my previous posts that
things actually changed or didnt deliver as promised, as my GF which means also
then statements, opinions, facts and beliefs change.
For my Facts being distorted i challenge you then, where are they distorted,
find one single point of the ones given above and i already know the one you will
grab hand on to but you would still not be correct...all the others stay as they are
as of now, as Auda is now. As for Companies and me, to them on the forum or
anywhere i am just a customer like you and in reality i am more on the public
(my customers side) then the companies side, if you understand me.
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#285300 - 04/19/10 02:59 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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So as it seems it was all praises when there was potential employment with Ketron/CMC, which I guess fell through. Now that the love affair has ended that’s when all of the “facts” just arise. I guess I just find your facts a bit tainted knowing the whole picture.

As far a challenge, no need, I really don’t need to discuss this with you any further. I wish you luck with all your endeavors.
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#285301 - 04/19/10 03:08 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by mc:
So as it seems it was all praises when there was potential employment with Ketron/CMC, which I guess fell through. Now that the love affair has ended that’s when all of the “facts” just arise. I guess I just find your facts a bit tainted knowing the whole picture.

As far a challenge, no need, I really don’t need to discuss this with you any further. I wish you luck with all your endeavors.


So basically you are saying that you dont know nothing about this here, you just got nothing better to do now.
Thats what i can extract from your posts. If you find my facts tainted then say so and where but you know as i
know you will fail to do so, unless you write your own Sampler or FX processor for Audya or something else.
As for the Love Affair this all happens actually after i finished the work givenby/for them. Nothing to do with it.
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#285302 - 04/19/10 03:29 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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I did change my post because using a cooking analogy really didn't say what I was thinking.

You ask MC, "Enlighten me please where do you see any hatred for Ketron in here please???"

Here is a perfect example of degrading Ketron, Audya & Aj.


"It would make difference to few but not to most, to me personally even if OS 15 was
released it is stil the same Amateurish machine lacking many basic things which cant
probably be added by OS, come on, its a 5000$ machine and not even a decent FX processor? Its sad."

"I dont understand the descriptions either, a lot of them are deceitfull, now and before.
Millions of time me and people asked about Style Creator and AJ kept going with:
Now you can mix and edit your styles and save them as user...you can edit the FX
the Audio parts and Midi parts...hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
thats not a Creator helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...................
And the question was Avoided or answered deceitfully...i dont know man...funny,
i gave up on Audya Loooooongggggg ago.


"no arranger has impressed me this much in my life as up to date, NONE.Hey, thats not a statement, thats only my liking and taste but we are way behind with any existing arranger, forget the
internet guessing and rummors, this is not an Arranger, nor competition to PA2X or T3, this is something else, new,
a begining of a new thing in music. "
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#285303 - 04/19/10 04:42 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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You hit nail right on the head, Dan01!
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#285304 - 04/19/10 04:58 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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And you guys still dont get it right??? Yes i said that and i will repeat I SAID IT!
And now things changed, same as with my GF, should i still praise her? No i wont!
It is funny and stupid bringing one single point out which i dont deny, i repeat i said it
but now things change...and as far as the above post i see nothing disrespectfull to AJ,
Ketron or anyone. If the machine has no Sampler and i said it doesnt have one thats
disrespectfull??? You guys i dont know...god help you, LOLZ! So in reality if something
is missing something i have to say NO IT DOES HAVE just to be nice??? KEEP DREAMING!
Its said that both of you have no single word to correct me on my TINTERED FACTS...ahahahaha.
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#285305 - 04/19/10 05:22 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Posted on 04/08/10 by your good friend AJ.

It does have a true full Sampler (which we have kept locked until OS4.0 in order to better develop the GUI).

Prior to OS4.0, only the multi Sampler works (files are already sampled and simply edited, and/or assigned to keys). With 4.0, you can record your won sounds via LINE IN, MIC INPUT ... etc. as the fill Sampler will now be made available (unlocked).

This is possible with AUDYA as of OS3.0 with the MSP (Multi Sampler Editor). The full Sampler is in OS4.0.

* Sample your individual Sounds that make up your drum set (Kick, Snare ...etc) and store as indipendent Wave files in the WAVE folder of the AUDYAs Hard Drive.
* When you have all the files in there, press WAVE, then press EDIT to access the MSP. Here is where you can assign each drum sample to whichever key you want.
* When done, test your kit and then SAVE your new MSP (e.g NecDrm.msp). You can now load this MSP anytime to use with any style. Remember though, it is advisable to follow the GM/GM2 Drum Map so you do not have to remap the kit each time you go to use this kit with an existing Ketron Style.


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#285306 - 04/19/10 06:17 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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You still dont prove me wrong, why?
1. I said NOT GOOD i didnt say it doesnt have one at all.
2. It is in OS 4, which people even haven't installed it yet.

Does that prove me wrong? I dont know, you judge it.

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#285307 - 04/20/10 02:33 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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T3 doesn't have ANY sampling editing in it. Nor can you record anything into it. It doesn't have any multisample import other than its' own proprietary format...

But that doesn't stop it from being probably the best selling TOTL arranger out, right now.

The trouble with you, Nedim, is that you seem to have absolutely no clue what the majority of arranger users want, need, or can understand. Your original review of the Audya, when you first heard it, was probably the only RELEVANT thing you have ever posted on the subject. 1% of Audya users are ever going to use the sampler. 1% of Audya users are ever going to create a style from scratch. Nobody actually USES the things that you obsess about.

But they ALL play music. And, at THAT task, the Audya is all you originally said it was. Trouble seems to be, you are incapable of looking past your own limited vision of what an arranger should do. YOU want an arranger so you can make styles and sounds for the Balkan market on it and SELL them to other Audya users (which, if they actually HAD your priorities, wouldn't NEED those styles because you would be making them themselves, wouldn't they? ), and for this the Audya falls short.

What happened? Wouldn't Ketron GIVE you the software that they used to make the styles themselves? After all, it's all well and good to bitch that the Audya can't make styles, but SOMEBODY was able to, weren't they? Otherwise there would be no ROM styles... Is that what turned you from such an evangelist into a determined detractor?

Before one pays attention to anyone's opinion about an arranger, it is a good idea to get a pretty good sense of where they are coming from, musically, emotionally and business-wise. Sadly, I can't really use anything you have said about the Audya as being in the slightest bit relevant to me, or probably the vast majority of members here, due to you your fixation with things basically irrelevant, and your determination to deliberately ignore or downplay the positive opinions about the product you had before it became apparent you weren't going to be able to make styles to sell on it.

If this were a forum of style creators, then you might be worth paying attention to. But as someone that ONLY posts from that perspective, I'm afraid your opinion has little value here...

We actually like to PLAY....
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#285308 - 04/20/10 08:49 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
T3 doesn't have ANY sampling editing in it. Nor can you record anything into it. It doesn't have any multisample import other than its' own proprietary format...

But that doesn't stop it from being probably the best selling TOTL arranger out, right now.


With all due respect i gained for you i wont comment on this, this is laughable.
I dont know where do you get your statistics...or if you meant on any 100 Korg
arrangers ONE T3 being sold.

Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
The trouble with you, Nedim, is that you seem to have absolutely no clue what the majority of arranger users want, need, or can understand. Your original review of the Audya, when you first heard it, was probably the only RELEVANT thing you have ever posted on the subject. 1% of Audya users are ever going to use the sampler. 1% of Audya users are ever going to create a style from scratch. Nobody actually USES the things that you obsess about.


Wrong again, thats the case in the Western World and you can not beat it, i deal
with customers everydays from both sides and i see who uses what and how and
also what they know and they dont but even in the west, there is a lot of PLAYERS
not just PROGRAMMERS that need this features, a lot of them care, you can find
them even here on the forum with us.

Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
If this were a forum of style creators, then you might be worth paying attention to. But as someone that ONLY posts from that perspective, I'm afraid your opinion


Wrong again, actually the wrongest statement, this is not a topic to show of who we
are but my statements are valid probably more then anyone and thats what scares
Ketron or Korg, to some my statements are exactly as the one from Jordan Ruddess
and also many people, in the HUNDREDS buy keyboards based ONLY on my review.
Dont expect Jerry or Ketron guys from Italy come here and confirm or deny this,
there is only 10-15 of us on here active but there is another 5000 just readin and
contacting private me, you or whoever. It is not about Ego, i can never say anything
about you personally cuz i dont know you and i am quit sure you dont know nothing
about me...and do not come with the WESTERN MUSICIAN this and that and
YOU AND YOUR COMMUNITY NEDIM...no, i am talking about BOTH WORLDS,
Western and Orientals, lately a lot of my statements are actually Final Answers to
some people...as in the case of Korg chasing me last year for pushing their customers
away by my statements...i wasnt blackmailing anyone, i was just being honest to people.
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#285309 - 04/21/10 12:11 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Yeah.... respect. I think you pretty much blew that here last year. No-one buys your line, Nedim. It's SO obvious you have an axe to grind. Anyone that flip flops so radically after their needs are not met by the company they wanted to work with doesn't really have a leg to stand on, IMO.

The only reason you survive is because the arranger manufacturers don't MAKE styles for your tiny market (Balkan music... sure, that's a real world power, isn't it? ) so makers of second rate styles can survive, but here in the West, the bar is pretty high. That's why so few actually MAKE styles. The manufacturers already make better ones than we can. No offense, but I've listened to your Western styles, and boy! You've got a long way to go before anyone at Yamaha or Korg or Roland or Ketron is worried...

If they put the same kind of money and attention to detail into Balkan and other niche market styles, you had probably start to worry...

And who was comparing the T3 to ALL of Korg's arrangers..? Compare the sales of the PA2Xpro and T3 alone. Anyway, to paraphrase an earlier post of yours, NONE of the arrangers sell a fraction of what the WS's do. So why do you even bother with the market?

No-one is buying it, Nedim. Peddle it somewhere else...
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#285310 - 04/21/10 12:16 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Hahahahaha...this is funny, lolz...you still dont beat my facts and you just talk ON AIR.
What small market??? We both know and all of us here very well know that it is
ONLY the SMALL Balkan, Turkish and Arabic market that all 3 big names made
arrangers dedicated to them...finally no for China and the Musikant series...LOLZ...
As far as i know there is no Tenessee or Florida or USA arranger yet...everything
is based on Euro or Latin needs...the Small Balkan being ONLY the second after
Euro needs and then you have Ketron in the Latin world...but we turned this into
Mine is bigger then Yours Topic which is actually not the point here.
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#285311 - 04/21/10 08:46 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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"to some my statements are exactly as the one from Jordan Ruddess"

This is a joke, right ?

Or are you serious to compare your review to Jordan Ruddess review ?

Ok.. I have one..

My opinions would be viewed exactly as one coming from Jesus.



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#285312 - 04/21/10 09:52 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by DanO1:
[B]"to some my statements are exactly as the one from Jordan Ruddess"

This is a joke, right ?


No its not a joke, to some are even more then that...laughable huh? (-:
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#285313 - 04/21/10 12:26 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Please list your music education and bands you have toured with that compare to Jordan Ruddess career.

Didn't you post something about needing piano lessons ?
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#285314 - 04/21/10 01:56 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?

Good question if look to another post where ask how to downgrade
from v4 to v3 again.
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/021125.html

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#285315 - 04/21/10 03:14 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Yes, the original topic was: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now? But I’m sure that it was only to stir the pot for one’s amusement.

But the real question is what the point of having these Audya topics if the actual owners like DonM and Frankieve (for example, I know that there are more of you out there) are discouraged from posting anything about the audya, when you have some members berate them with mine is better than yours crap or what is even sadder when you have a member deliberately try to sabotage posts due to vindictiveness.

Everyone seems to forget that they are knocking a small company for having the balls to step out of the box and raise the bar on an arranger; so far I yet to see another arranger company develop audio styles. As good as those DNC & mega voices sound including drums, they don’t sound like real audio.



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#285316 - 04/21/10 04:02 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Thanks MC

Actually as an Audya user I learned pretty quickly not to even waste my time with this kind of thread as they are generally just full of trolling.

I remember an old expression I heard once. "There is no point in fighting with an Ass."

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#285317 - 04/21/10 04:05 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Originally posted by Tonewheeldude:
I remember an old expression I heard once. "There is no point in fighting with an Ass."


........."whether you try to pull it or push it, it will only ever try to bite you, or sh#t on you"



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#285318 - 04/21/10 04:19 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by mc:
As good as those DNC & mega voices sound including drums, they don’t sound like real audio.



I know I'm kind of dense, but can you define "real audio" for me? As far as I'm concerned, if I can hear it, it's audio.

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#285319 - 04/21/10 04:36 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by DanO1:
Please list your music education and bands you have toured with that compare to Jordan Ruddess career.

Didn't you post something about needing piano lessons ?[/B]


Thats a senseless comment, this has nothing to do with a good Musician,
hard to believe? It simple logics of:
Someones Garbage is somone Elses Treasure...thats the JR comparison...dont be too literal.

You knowing how to read music or play better then me doesnt also make you better in the
judgmeent of the instrument cuz after all that might be ALL you know and nothing else...
Of course thats not said directly to you, it is more to make a point...and what bands i worked
for is irelevant...maybe i worked for bands that are bigger then Dream Theater itself but for
some people...if not for you...or vice versa...(cuz in reality you are trying to say that your
music or culture is better then mine...you are wrong.) Why do i say this? Ask yourself.
A good keyboard player from my culture and music is not any less VALIT then JR himself...
it is to those people within that culture or music a lot more then maybe JR to you...thats the
logic of my comparison to JR. Not all of us are complete, if i am better programmer then you
or know the intruments technically better then you doesnt make me also a beter keyboardist
then you, you might bebetter on the other side...its 2 different worlds working together for the same goal.

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#285320 - 04/21/10 04:36 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by cgiles:
I know I'm kind of dense, but can you define "real audio" for me? As far as I'm concerned, if I can hear it, it's audio.

chas



Midi based voices vs wave based voices, there now you know!
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#285321 - 04/21/10 04:45 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by cgiles:
I know I'm kind of dense, but can you define "real audio" for me? As far as I'm concerned, if I can hear it, it's audio.

chas



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#285322 - 04/21/10 08:25 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by cgiles:
I know I'm kind of dense, but can you define "real audio" for me? As far as I'm concerned, if I can hear it, it's audio.

chas



What I think he is saying is that audio based loops within style playback will be more authentic then computer generated midi tracks. However, not everyone can hear a difference. I would assume that Audya owner can.
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#285323 - 04/21/10 09:12 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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If thats the case then what would you call styles that are actually MIDI generated but
the style was created by a real drummer playing drums to trigger midi notes.
Isn't that the exat same thing as the Audio Loops or in my opinion even better?
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#285324 - 04/21/10 11:07 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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no Nedim it's not the exact same thing

one is MIDI playing "artificial" sounds in keyboard even if triggered by drummer

the other is REAL, like a real Drum Kit, real kick, real hi-hats, real snare,real toms all mic'd up and recorded,
and then REAL audio imported into AUDYA

that's why AUDYA sounds REAL/LIVE and the others (not to bash but to tell it like it is) sound "flake" i mean "fake", i mean "less real"...
just MY honest opinion after having ACTUALLY compared them side by side

BIG difference between midi and audio in BOTH drums and guitar...
and if you can't hear it,
well i guess any arranger is as good as the next

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#285325 - 04/21/10 11:25 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Ok then...you are right...now define to me what is a Snare on a Synth and a real Snare...
or any Sound at all. The Simple Analogy is, they are both the Exact SAME Thing.
One is, you hit it with the Stick while the other you hit a Pad or a Key while at the same
time they both trigger the same exact Sound becuse the Synth Snare was recorded from
the real one...and lets not get into mathematics of converstion, recording, loosing quality
and anything else, we all know that bull. There is another catch to it looking from an
engineer perspective (which you know what i am talking about, you are one of them)
that when recording a whole Loop you need a player with the whole DK in front and Miking
it wont be as Correct and Clean as having ONLY the ne DRUM in front of you when Sampling.
At the end you end up with a Cleaner Sample of an SD then the original SD that was being
recorded while recording that loop...i know you understand me.
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#285326 - 04/22/10 02:02 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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"BIG difference between midi and audio in BOTH drums and guitar...
and if you can't hear it,
well i guess any arranger is as good as the next "

tonewheel did a post recently palying the audya guitar playing complex chords. some of the audio notes were replaced by midi ones. I could not hear the difference. could you ?

The great difference between midi and Audio is simply an exaggeration.

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#285327 - 04/22/10 02:54 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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The great difference between midi and Audio is simply an exaggeration.[/B]


Then why do Yamaha not come forward with multipads that is on par with the Audya's guitar wave loops that plays along with the styles?

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#285328 - 04/22/10 05:17 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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that is not the question Henni. The statement was that there was a big difference between audio recordings and midi notes playing back samples like every other aranger. From the demo that both Ina an Tone wheel did there was not a big difference. Secondly from the Demo that Tonewheel did where he played complex chords where we know the Audya substitutes midi notes i could not hear the difference and i chakllenge anyone that can say clearly there was a big difference beteen the real audio and the midi substitutions in that demo. So where is the big difference ? That is in my opinion an exaggereation based upon what my ears tell me in those demos. What did your ears tell you from those demos ? Was it a big difference when you heard the Audya play complex chords and the midi notes kicked in ?

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#285329 - 04/22/10 05:17 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Spalding 4:
"BIG difference between midi and audio in BOTH drums and guitar...
and if you can't hear it,
well i guess any arranger is as good as the next "

tonewheel did a post recently palying the audya guitar playing complex chords. some of the audio notes were replaced by midi ones. I could not hear the difference. could you ?

The great difference between midi and Audio is simply an exaggeration.


NONE of the chords I played in those MP3 files were replaced by Midi guitars. The whole point of those demos was to show that only thechords the Audya swaps out MIDI guitars for live guitars are impossible inversions (for a guitarist to play)...which are few.

Absolutely EVERYONE that has listens an Audya in real life can tell the differece between Live and Midi..listen to the cymbals and brushes in particular.

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#285330 - 04/22/10 05:46 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Originally posted by Spalding 4:
that is not the question Henni. The statement was that there was a big difference between audio recordings and midi notes playing back samples like every other aranger. From the demo that both Ina an Tone wheel did there was not a big difference. Secondly from the Demo that Tonewheel did where he played complex chords where we know the Audya substitutes midi notes i could not hear the difference and i chakllenge anyone that can say clearly there was a big difference beteen the real audio and the midi substitutions in that demo. So where is the big difference ? That is in my opinion an exaggereation based upon what my ears tell me in those demos. What did your ears tell you from those demos ? Was it a big difference when you heard the Audya play complex chords and the midi notes kicked in ?



I was referring to the guitar styles of the yamaha s910/Tyros 3 vs. Audya, which was posted by Ian & TWD. Nothing to do with the live guitars than switching to midi for complex chords, I can care less. After owning a yamaha and listening to the audya, the guitars on the audya sound so much more realistic than the guitars on the yamaha. That I can hear with very well, without exaggeration.
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#285331 - 04/22/10 06:02 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Originally posted by Tonewheeldude:
NONE of the chords I played in those MP3 files were replaced by Midi guitars. The whole point of those demos was to show that only thechords the Audya swaps out MIDI guitars for live guitars are impossible inversions (for a guitarist to play)...which are few.



Yes, you're partially correct...if you listen really carefully, the Audya's audio guitars played the chords alright, but they did not play the root notes (the descending bass line)..the guitars in the Yamaha played the bass line (using guitar only) properly.

In other words, when attempting to play a Cmaj7th/B, the Audya's audio guitar track was playing a Cmaj7th/C...when trying to play an Am7th/G, the Audya was actually playing a Am7th/A.

The Yamaha S910's guitar track was playing the proper root note for the chord the player played...a Cmaj7th/B came out as Cmajth/B....Am7th/G came out as Am7th/G.

I wouldn't like using the Audya's guitar tracks alone to begin a tune...you would need the bass track on, to give the descending bass line...with the Yamaha, I can do it with the guitar track alone.

A small detail? Yes. But, an important one.

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#285332 - 04/22/10 06:12 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Then i have misunderstood the entire point of the last 3 pages of this thread http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/021060-6.html ha ha and we are no wiser as to whetehr or not the Audya handles comples chords any better than the expales that were played about 1 year ago that sounded awful. This was what Ian and i had mentioned in passing and i thought that was the intention of the demos that Tonewheel provided.

on 2/01/2009 Mr Dave who had an Audya that had been sold to a frind of his said

"So, here's the answer:
Along with all the instruments wave data, there are recorded hundreds of guitar riffs and chords in all tonalities, but... only Maj and Min chords are present, with some exceptions.
So, for the most part of guitar loops you got only Maj and Min versions. How do they create other chords? Simply... for chords that have note added (lik 6, 7, 9...) they simply add a MIDI note in the correct position along with the chord. For example if you play a C7, you get the CMaj guitar along with a midi guitar that plays the A# note. If you play CMin7, the same... you get the Min chord + the MIDI A# note.
But for other chords that don't have additions, like C4, Cdim, CAug for example, all the loop is played by MIDI and you can clearly hear the live guitar absence in some styles where the live guitar is predominant.
as I told before, I found a few exceptions (bossa and samba riffs) where playing a 7th chord brings up a different sample instead of adding the midi note.
Other samples, notably the rock ones have only one version played regardless of Maj or Min chords."

Ian said concerning how the audy handles complex chords

"Good gracious....how many times does one have to repeat the same thing over and over before it starts to sink in? Or is it a case of selective demo playing.

My concern was how the guitars handled inversions and complex chords on their own.

That's how they were first demo'd here, and several of us were able to hear (or distinguish) the midi guitar adding the notes the audio guitar could not play.

As I said earlier, sometimes a player wants to start out a tune with just the guitar part...it's done a lot in music, especially country and pop, but pretty well all genres have tunes that begin that way.

Your demos, while showcasing the bass and drums, which are good, and obviously the instrument's best feature, and main selling point, do nothing to allow the listener to hear the guitar parts on their own...you're even playing a melody over the top.

Now, you are either missing my point entirely, either by selective reading, or perhaps, you might want to hide the guitars because of their unnatural voicing...I don't know, and , at this point, I do not care.

If I was the only one who heard the badly done guitar parts, I'd say, perhaps my hearing is shot, or selective, or whatever....but, I wasn't the only one...there were several of us.

It's highly unlikely we all have the same hearing problems.

So, it's highly likely what we heard, was exactly what was posted.

Ian "

in that same thread i said in response to the Demos that both tonewheel and Ian posted that:

" 1. The audya actually handles complex chords well and if midi tracks were being used then i could not tell when they kicked in
2. That the yamaha guitars sounded to me (and i play guitar) just as good as the Audya real guitars tracks."

Tonewheel, if you knew that no midi notes had ever been played in those demonstrations why the hell did you not correct me then .....or was it something that was just accidentally/conveniently overlooked....

So now the question still remains unanswered. Does the Audya guitars sound as awful when it plays complex chords (sufficient to trigger midi notes)as it did in the examples given a year ago and interestingly removed or does it not ? Or have Ketron managed to add additional samples into their current keyboards (that they could no have added a year ago when Mr Dave tested his ) did not exist according to Mr Dave or is midi being used in the examples that Tonewheel presented that sounded like real audio?

I apologise for any misunderstanding Henni and mc and potentially to you tonewheel but hopefully you can understand my confusion.



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#285333 - 04/22/10 06:24 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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I always thought of 'midi' as sort of a language, a set of instructions, like "turn on this strobe light" or any other instruction you wish to convey to any electronic device that can understand and respond to the instruction. So if I send a midi message to a controller to 'turn off the light' or just flip the switch manually, will the quality of the light be different? I mean, c'mon, you guys make it sound as if midi is some kind of sound entity unto itself.

Soooooo, is an (uneditable) audio loop triggered by a midi instruction (as a midi note would be on a conventional synth) audio or midi? Just asking. And isn't the flexibility of being able to configure individual notes more desirable in an arranger setting, than being slave to a phrase that's already been played and recorded and can't be altered? I can see the advantage of the playing to a drum track that was pre-recorded for A SPECIFIC SONG, but beyond that, the compromises necessary for 'real audio' seem to outweigh the 'feel' advantage of RECORDED live drums.

This is just an opinion based on not having heard the Audya approach to drums and I could certainly be persuaded that my assumptions are in error. I've got a feeling that there are still things about this whole 'approach' that I don't know. That's nothing new .

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#285334 - 04/22/10 06:57 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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With a conventional arranger, the guitar tracks are, in a sense, audio, because the sounds being used are samples...in the case of Yamaha, mega voices are not just notes. but other additions such as fret noise, hammer-ons etc.

Since these samples are manipulated via MIDI control, the programmer has as many patterns as needed...also, some of the guitar tracks in Yamaha (and Roland, Korg) are input via MIDI guitar, so it sounds as natural as possible.

The new GTT mode on the T3/S910, goes a step further, by voicing the chords as a guitar player would.

Can the Audya's strum or finger-picking audio tracks be edited...can the notes be off-set to allow a "swing" feel...can the voicing of the chord notes be changed (without using another, different loop) by the user?

Many songs begin with guitar only, and just as often, the guitarist establishes the bass line...if the arranger's guitar tracks cannot voice, for example, a Cmajth/B as a chord with the B note in the root, it becomes a limitation...it seems, after hearing the demos posted, that the Audya cannot voice the guitar chords in that manner...it needs the bass guitar track to establish what is the root note.

The Audya would need it's audio guitar loops recorded in every inversion of each chord....does it have them?

Midi controlled guitar tracks that use sampled individual notes, as in Roland, Yamaha, Casio, Korg, do not have this issue...all inversions are available.

Ian

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#285335 - 04/22/10 07:03 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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for Someone with a good ear

or someone who actually cares and has pride in their sound

or someone who's fortunate enough to be able to tell the difference

there is a HUGE difference

for all others,
audio and midi are exactly the same

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#285336 - 04/22/10 07:16 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:
for Someone with a good ear

or someone who actually cares and has pride in their sound

or someone who's fortunate enough to be able to tell the difference

there is a HUGE difference

for all others,
audio and midi are exactly the same


True, and all the more reason for the potential buyer to be sure the Audya is playing chords (especially on-bass or bass inversions, or slash chords...whatever you want to call these chord types) as it should.

I'm pretty fussy about how my arranger's guitar tracks sound, which, I suppose, any player, with pride in how they sound, would be as well.

Now, Lee, if you play very simply, and never use on-bass (bass inversion, slash chords), then the Audya's handling of guitar tracks would never concern you...but, there are pros who use these chords very often, and knowing how they are managed (voiced) would be very beneficial to such players...and, it may help them decide whether having audio guitars over conventional midi controlled sampled guitar notes, is worth giving up the more precise control of the latter.

Ian

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#285337 - 04/22/10 07:24 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:
for Someone with a good ear

or someone who actually cares and has pride in their sound

or someone who's fortunate enough to be able to tell the difference

there is a HUGE difference

for all others,
audio and midi are exactly the same


AUDIO IS A SOUND, MIDI IS AN INSTRUCTION TO MAKE A SOUND. I guess you missed that part in your eagerness to respond (with the usual illogical BS). It's like arguing with your wife; you're never going to win because they aren't burdened with things like logic and common sense.

So tell me, Leezonedout, what exactly does 'midi' sound like. Can you give us an example that you can......HEAR. Why not try to stop being such a fanboy (especially for a product you don't even own????) and try to contribute something useful to the discussion. The old rhetoric is getting kind of uh....OLD. BTW, (as Diki often points out) it helps to actually READ a post before you respond to it.

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#285338 - 04/22/10 07:29 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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These are the posts, on another thread, that interest me...

Quote:
Originally posted by Tonewheeldude:
ok...I just did two examples using Ians chords:
http://www.ketronmusic.co.uk/media/chords/chords.mp3
http://www.ketronmusic.co.uk/media/chords/chords2.mp3



Quote:
Originally posted by ianmcnll:
Not too shabby, TWD, but it is as I suspected....the guitars don't play the descending bass line...they need the actual bass to provide that...it's too bad you had to add the drums, but otherwise it sounds pretty good.

Thanks,

Ian



Quote:
Originally posted by Tonewheeldude:

Sorry I thought you wanted to hear the bass play the bass line?

Actually I never heard a guitarist play a descending bass line the same time as he strums...is it even possible?

.



This is where we left off...I specifically asked for the Audya's guitar tracks only....as posted, the Audya's guitar track needed the addition of the bass track to play the inversions...and yes, it is possible for a guitarist to play descending bass lines when strumming and/or picking.

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#285339 - 04/22/10 10:45 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Please Lord...make it stop!!!

When I was asked for the demo Ian gave me an example of a sequence; the point was to see if you could hear noticable differences between MIDI guitars and Audio Guitars mixing on the Audya when you play a complex chord sequence. As I said over and over again it, unless you play an 'impossible inversion' your not going to hear it....because the Midi guitar doesn't come in. In the real world the type of sequence I played is what your going to hear 99.9% of the time, sometimes you might sneak a funny inversion in by accident in which case the midi guitar will cut in, but its unlikely and if you do its probably in passing. I will repeat one last time: The Audya's live guitars will play everything that was possible for the guitarist to play at the time of recording.

With that in mind this is where i bow out, not just because it gets boring for most of us repeating the same thing over and over and over and but for these two reasons:

Those who can hear the difference between midi and real audio don't need convincing as the sound is evidence enough.

Those that can't hear the difference between midi and real audio might as well buy the Yamaha.

and that is my final post in this thread.

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#285340 - 04/22/10 11:17 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tonewheeldude:

Those who can hear the difference between midi and real audio don't need convincing as the sound is evidence enough.

Those that can't hear the difference between midi and real audio might as well buy the Yamaha.


EXACTLY !!! 100% agreed,

i couldn't have said it better myself,
or maybe i could have :-)

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#285341 - 04/22/10 11:28 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Might as well give up, Auyda guys, they are not interested in hearing what those of us who have Audyas say. They are only interested in trying to prove "theirs is better".
Give up and enjoy your Audya.
Personally, I hope nobody else in my town gets one!
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#285342 - 04/22/10 11:56 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Don,

don't be selfish now...
you wanna be the only one with a nice, live, kick @ss sound don't you?

you see at LEAST I, and other AUDYA users have played on a Yamaha, and we can compare the 2 cuz we've PLAYED them both

others on the other hand, judge without ever playing it

the proof is in the pudding

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#285343 - 04/22/10 12:54 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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oh come on guys play fair ! Why get upset ? We are just debating !

There is no point in putting up a demo so that the two types of sound generation can be compared (audio play back versus midi note generated sample play back )and then throwing up your hands and saying the difference between the sound quality is huge when according to the two demos the difference clearly isnt huge. If there was an audya near by then i would love to hear it in real life but there isnt so all i got is you friendly folk on synthzone :-).

I simply want to know the truth. Is the Audya playing chords in Tonewheeldudes demo with NO midi note substitution or not ?

Frankieve said on 22 February 2010

'So this is the way the chord with audio works

It will recognize the basic chords in audio, then to create the more advance chords it adds midi notes to complete

It sounds great, you can't tell the mix'

Tonewheeldude said on 7th April 2010 commented on the high quality of the midi guitar samples so much so that that he found it difficult to differentiate between the real audio guitars and when the midi sample driven guitars kicked in.

You cant have it both ways guys ! Either the difference between real Audio or midi driven samples is 'big' as some of you have put it or modest as i have put it . This is what Tonewheeldude said about complex chords:

'.....I am off sick and have a few minutes so I just tried the Audya I have here and played the following chord variations. I marked the ones with a * which I felt switched to midi guitars, but its pretty hard to tell on some as sometimes there are two guitars playing together and the midi guitars on the Audya are very high quality. In amongst a style the changes are not noticable particuarly as these odd chords tend to be played in passing. All the ones without the * definately played live guitars. I think I have covered about every chord variation, but if i missed any let me know.

I have a feeling if I gave this list to a guitarist he would laugh at me..but here goes:

'
Major
Minor
5
Dominant 7th
Major 7th
Minor 7th
Minor Major 7th
Sus 4 *
Sus 2
6
Minor 6
9
Minor 9
Major 9
Minor Major 9
11
Minor 11
Major 11
Minor Major 11
13
Minor 13
Major 13
Minor Major 13
add 9
Minor add9
6 add 9
minor 6 add 9
Dominant 7th add 11
Major 7th add 11
Minor 7th add 11 *
Minor Major 7th add 11
Dominant 7th add 13
Major 7th add 13
Minor 7th add 13
Minor major 7th add 13
7b5
7#5 *
7b9
7#5b9 *
m7b5 *
m7#5
m7b9
9#11
9b13
6sus4
7sus4 (* hard to tell on this)
Major 7th Sus 4 *
9sus4
Major 9 Sus4 '

My question is this :

Is Tonewheelsdudes version of the list of real audio chords correct ? if so Frankeieve was mistaken and the Audya can actually handle a lot more complex chords with real Audio than i first believed (which is good) or Tonewheeldude is incorrect and he himself could not not truly tell the difference between a midi note generated by a sample of the guitar compared to real Audio recordings of a live guitar.

You dealers cant have it both ways :-)

If Tonewheeldude himself who had an audya, live, in his home, struggled to tell the difference between real Audio sounds and Midi driven samples then i have to admire the cheek some of you have when you boast how much better the Audya sounds compared to everything else :-) .

But there is nothing wrong in loving your instrument dont get me wrong. If i paid over £5000 for my keyboard or if i were selling its at that price it had better sound outstanding too !! at least it better had in my ears :-)

(Tonewheeldude and Frankieve it was just a gentle pop at you both..dont get upset . I am just playing with you :-))

So..... Can anyone from Ketron, preferably AJ actually confirm the chords that are true Audio generated from the list Tonewheeldudes produced in his home ,live from those that had midi guitar samples in them ?

I would understand if no one responded because if Tonewheeldudes assessment was completely wrong.....it would simply prove that Midi driven samples can sound almost if not just as true as real audio and there goes the entire audya unique selling proposition.....which is where i started.

As Liontracs always says ....Enjoy whatever you play !




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#285344 - 04/22/10 01:05 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:

you see at LEAST I, and other AUDYA users have played on a Yamaha, and we can compare the 2 cuz we've PLAYED them both

others on the other hand, judge without ever playing it

the proof is in the pudding



Well, after reading your posts over the last few months, I'm a little skeptical about what you actually do hear.

But, I do know what I hear, and that is the Audya's guitars don't play the descending bass line and on-bass chords correctly...they need the actual bass track to provide it.

It obviously doesn't make any difference to some, but at least those people who would require an arranger's guitar tracks to play bass inversions will be aware of it, and won't get any surprises when they get it home, or try it out in a store.

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#285345 - 04/22/10 01:45 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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I can't figure out why anyone hasn't commented about the fact that the Audya's guitar chords sound disjointed. there are several times where it sounds as if, as one chord ends and the other starts, there is a tiny gap or hesitation...

Not to mention that there is no such thing as an eight string guitar (OK, maybe there is, but hardly anyone plays it!)... If you have a strumming pattern on a major chord, and add the 6 and 9 to it, it is no longer a correctly voiced 6,9 chord. It is a major chord on one guitar, with a second guitar adding the 6 & 9. For it to be a correctly voiced 6,9, two of the six notes already strummed would have to STOP. They don't...

Personally, I COULD hear tonal differences when the additional notes were being added (there's a bit of a 'hang' in the MIDI note, it doesn't phrase exactly to the audio), and the tonality of the added notes sounds like a different guitar (why they didn't make samples from the same guitar they recorded the loops on beats me... it's the obvious solution).

Now, yes, I'm being picky... and those examples sound better than the old ones from OS1 posted way back. But the issues haven't gone away, just got hidden better. But I have to say, from listening to both examples, that IMO there is NO clear winner. Both systems have their strengths and weaknesses, and anyone determined to only see one victor here is altogether TOO much partisan, and not opening their ears enough. Be critical of them both, or accept both, but there's no winner...

For me, the deciding factor doesn't come from what they actually sound like. It comes from what ELSE they can sound like. It is a piece of cake to turn the S910's guitar strums from steel to nylon, to clean Strat, to 12-string. There isn't a damn thing you can do to the Audya's loops. So you had better REALLY, really like them, because you are going to be listening to them a LONG, long time... On many, many different songs (not every style has a unique set of strums and picking patterns, so you are going to be hearing them over and over...).

As someone that only changes out his gear at maybe half or less the pace of you guys, longevity, and ease of making something easily sound different is a very high priority for me. Realism (if only a hair more of it) at the expense of the inability to change it one iota is a poor substitute, in my book...
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#285346 - 04/22/10 01:47 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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You can ignore it all you want and substitute put-downs for facts, but any way you slice it, MIDI is a COMMUNICATIONS PROTOCOL, NOTHING MORE. Every time you use phrases like 'midi note' without elaboration, and compare it to 'live audio, it just sounds stupid. I don't have to own an Audya to know that. It's gotten to the point that if anyone asks a simple question that you two (TWD and Leezone) perceive as a knock on the Audya, you immediately launch into attack mode. TWD, although only a recent member of Synthzone, has decided that he needs to re-educate the morons here on SZ and bestow upon us (less than average players) the gifts of his vastly superior knowledge, especially as it pertains to Audyas and all things Hammond. I heard and saw some of his 'work' on YouTube; Interesting. Leezone, on the other hand, does not even own an Audya, has annoyed everyone on SZ with his incessant, unanswerable questions, and in all probability, knowing the type, will never get one. Apparently, being the center of attention is gratification enough. I think you should all go back and read carefully what has been posted here and make your own judgements.

NOW, can someone explain how 'live drums' work on the Audya and then how 'live guitar' works on the Audya. I genuinely want to know. When I play a chord on the Audya, does it analyze what I have played and chooses a pre-recorded substitute chord? Or (in style play) a suitable audio loop based on that chord. Is that loop different, depending on the style? When I cut the tempo in half, what happens with the pre-recorded drum passage? Does it time stretch? And if so, does this change the character of the drum pattern? For those that know how the Audya works, these may seem like dumb questions, but to those of us unfamiliar with the technology, they remain sources of curiosity. So instead of coming back with "if you can't hear the difference.....blah, blah", how about explaining it in a way that us mere mortals can understand.

DonM, as a longtime and respected member of this board, you know that this is not directed at you. I know that you like and are satisfied with your Audya and have never subjected us to kind of annoying fanaticism that serves no purpose other than to obscure the facts. Given it's rather substantial price, a lot of us would just like to understand the technology that justifies it. If you can shed some light on how this works, I'd appreciate it. It sounds intriguing and I'd really like to hear an objective evaluation and explanation. Thanks.

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#285347 - 04/22/10 02:23 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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I think I can answer SOME of your questions, chas...

From what we have been told, the Audya does time-stretching on its' audio loops. Now, as this can only go so far without becoming apparent, all of the loops were recorded at three different tempi, so the loop for a fast guitar strum is not the same loop for a slower one (which is how it should be). But even so, there is probably a limit to how fast or slow you can take any loop, but in fairness, that's probably outside its' useful range. It is possible (but I not sure for certain) that it also has sliced up the beats in the drum section, which would allow for more tempo variation without artifacts. Kind of like ReCycle, or Acid loops, etc..

But what we are hearing BETWEEN chords on the Audya sounds awfully like a degree of latency as it streams the correct chord (or close to correct!) in response to the input, and there seems to be some not perfect cross-fading between old chord and new. Anyone that has played a guitar knows there is a certain degree of over-ring when you go between one chord and the next, particularly open chords. But this is plain flat out impossible when you are cross-cutting between two recordings. Not that MIDI is much better at this, just pointing it out...

Guitar is a VERY non-linear instrument. At best, we can only approximate it poorly, with whatever system we choose to use. Claiming that any system has succeeded in 'realism' is simply a case of fanboy excess. If you listen like a REAL guitarist, or one that knows what they are supposed to sound like, you can easily hear the flaws in ANY system.
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#285348 - 04/22/10 04:10 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Sorry you feel that way chas. I do get a little excited because quite a few on here don't read posts properly and jump to conclusions, but mostly I get frustrated when someone that has not even seen or heard an Audya (other than the odd internet demo) comes along and makes a negative "statement of fact".

In Danny's thread I wanted to know if he had seen the Audya after he said he couldn't understand what all the fuss was about...and that the Audya is nothing special. And then later when Ian said the way Audya handles live guitars is S**T. I did try to be diplomatic and not put people or their instruments down.

The only reason I came in on this thread is because I was quoted. I try and stay out of it if possible as joining in generally serves no purpose other than to add to an already frustrating conversation.

As for the Hammond comments, I presume your talking about the Leslie sim thread. I did the same as everyone else; listened to the demos with an open mind. But I didn't hear anything to set it apart from virtually any other simulator which is why I called it average. And I was not talking about anyones playing ability either. I then had to explain why I thought it was average...i'm sorry if you feel that is treating you like a moron. It certainly wasn't my intention.

PS...thats not me on youtube!

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#285349 - 04/22/10 04:56 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tonewheeldude:



PS...thats not me on youtube!



Are you sure?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSFU7HkxMLU

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#285350 - 04/22/10 05:01 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by ianmcnll:
Are you sure?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSFU7HkxMLU

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#285351 - 04/22/10 05:03 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tonewheeldude:

PS...thats not me on youtube!



I'm relieved to hear that. Any examples of your work on the mighty 'B' that we could hear? I'm sure some of us Jimmy Smith wannabe's could learn something. BTW, I really enjoy Pierre Swaard. I even do my own version of 'Get on down with the B3 sound'. A fun, funky tune. Did he write it?

chas

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#285352 - 04/22/10 05:49 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Originally posted by cgiles:
I'm relieved to hear that.


That makes two of us.
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#285353 - 04/22/10 06:37 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Originally posted by ianmcnll:
Are you sure?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSFU7HkxMLU

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i had to check in the mirror...but i am relieved to say, its not me!

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#285354 - 04/22/10 06:43 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Originally posted by Tonewheeldude:
i had to check in the mirror...but i am relieved to say, its not me!



That's good to know...and, as Chas has hinted at respectfully...t'would B nice to B treated to TWD on a B.
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#285355 - 04/22/10 07:05 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Originally posted by Tonewheeldude:

In Danny's thread I wanted to know if he had seen the Audya after he said he couldn't understand what all the fuss was about...and that the Audya is nothing special.


Hi TWD,

I never meant for that thread to sound negative although I did say later on that I could have worded the thread better. I'd love to try the Audya but it doesn't seem possible, there aren't any around here so I have to rely on demos for now at least. I know it isn't the same thing, but spent a whole day listening to every single demo/example/live show or whatever regarding the Audya because I was in two minds whether to get one or a T3, and to do it any justice at all I did have have the computer system plugged into a decent stereo system so I can make the best of what I could under the circumstances.

I don't really want to get into this all over again but what made me purchase the T3 over the Audya was the styles, not because they sounded better but because I prefered how they've been created and arranged on the T3 to suite a wider range of styles of music. That isn't a criticism, it was just my preference. After summerising it all, I decided in the end that I would be happier with a T3.

So since purchasing one, I've also wanted to get back in touch with this forum but found a lot of threads were centered towards the Audya, that's fine and not a problem, but then there were some members suggesting that it was so much more superior than anything else and I started to wonder what am I missing because from the demo's I heard (and some were absolutely incredible) I didn't think the Audya sounded so much superior than anything else including my PA1x, that was all. So really, all I was trying to do was urge members who own the Audya to post a summary of their experiences with the Audya and if owning one was a must, no skin off my nose because if the Audya is that much worth having I'd get one eventually to go along with the T3. I wasn't trying to get people to compete with each other's keyboards, I just wanted to hear more first hand experiences.

I hope that makes more sense.

Thanks
Danny.

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#285356 - 04/22/10 08:55 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Originally posted by Diki:
[B]I can't figure out why anyone hasn't commented about the fact that the Audya's guitar chords sound disjointed. there are several times where it sounds as if, as one chord ends and the other starts, there is a tiny gap or hesitation...

Not to mention that there is no such thing as an eight string guitar (OK, maybe there is, but hardly anyone plays it!)... If you have a strumming pattern on a major chord, and add the 6 and 9 to it, it is no longer a correctly voiced 6,9 chord. It is a major chord on one guitar, with a second guitar adding the 6 & 9. For it to be a correctly voiced 6,9, two of the six notes already strummed would have to STOP. They don't...


Right...and not just that, the DrumLoops go OUT OF TIME a lot, after playing for a while
the whole Audio Style structure dismantles itself, it goes crazy. Thats the case at
least on few Audyas that i used and tested.
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#285357 - 04/22/10 11:27 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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What was the last OS you played on, Nedim? OS 1 or OS2?

I think it's unfair to make comments about an early version of an OS without finding out for sure whether it is STILL a big issue. I would have thought that DonM would have made at least SOME comment about this (or, Heaven help us, Tony!) if this were still the case.

Mind you, you have stated you are still going to buy one, so I guess you don't REALLY care, do you?
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#285358 - 04/22/10 11:52 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Registered: 07/31/08
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I cant deal with this anymore!!!!!! think we are all going crazy????????? Ketron have only put out some small OS changes so far, I would have thought the majority of us would be wanting to hear see and touch the final components ie the new styles sounds and so on.

I mean this has been an amazing journey for a keyboard how many years and promises that have not come through so far, as much as i'm tempted, i want to, and so should all others wait until the final verdict is in. By the way where is the final 1 gig part to the OS upgrade, its not finished right? just like all the other promises that have not come through so far. Can you blame us for being very suspicious of any detail without proof thats comming from Italy. Get the Pope onto it, oh that's right he's got his own problems, well maybe the el presidenti or someone else in authority.

I mean evertime someone comes on and says just wait, enjoy what you have it will be here soon, i shudder, its like supplying a car without wheels. Come on Ketron, whats the story fess up, honesty could be the one biggest saviour for you now.

Meanwhile the nurse is giving me my medication, once again moving back into the coma that so soothes me!!

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#285359 - 04/22/10 11:54 PM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Registered: 06/25/99
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Loc: Benton, LA, USA
I have never noticed any problem of this nature. I feel certain I would notice if it still existed.
BTW, the new sounds and styles are on the way to me, so I will update after this weekend.
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#285360 - 04/23/10 12:07 AM Re: Is OS4.0 a good reason to buy an Audya now?
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Registered: 05/13/08
Posts: 1144
Loc: Staten Island, NYC
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Originally posted by Diki:
What was the last OS you played on, Nedim? OS 1 or OS2?

I think it's unfair to make comments about an early version of an OS without finding out for sure whether it is STILL a big issue. I would have thought that DonM would have made at least SOME comment about this (or, Heaven help us, Tony!) if this were still the case.

Mind you, you have stated you are still going to buy one, so I guess you don't REALLY care, do you?


I never played on OS1 so i dont know, once i saw OS1 for 1 min at CMC when i was updating
Ted's Audya, somewhere at the begining to OS 2.0 but didnt try OS 1. Then i used it with
OS 2 and one time i used it for 3 days on OS 3, thruought both i heard those funny things but
more on OS 2. Now, personally as you said i dont really care as long as i can program on it but
i believe that in OS 4 those things would be gone...keep in mind that what i stated above its not
only me, i had/have tens of e-mails to me with same complaints...thats why i got pissed off few
times, i had to respond and help Ketron customers while Ketron didnt know i exist...then i left it all
but even now people with Audya still bug me. CMC knows about those complaints, AJ knows
about some...what sucked is they are all in different languages (i speak 6 languages) so i have
people from all over...i couldnt forward all of them cuz they need translation, i cant sit at home and
work for Ketron for free translating e-mails so i just abandoned all those people.
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