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#286968 - 05/04/10 06:27 PM
Re: Incredible composition of Deep Purple...
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Sorry that I exploded guys and gals. It has been a rough week, lots of things going wrong in my immediate family, several friends diagnosed with cancer. I really felt this was an incredible rendition of the song--that's why I posted the link. Nothing personal--just a bad week. I need some time away from both the computer and gigs, which doesn't come easy these days. Too damned many jobs and I'm not smart enough to say no to folks who want more from me. The lawn is done, and when I get finished tomorrow's gig I'm going sailing for a couple days. There's a sign in the boat's cabin that says "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Problem!" See ya when I get back. Cheers, Gary [This message has been edited by travlin'easy (edited 05-05-2010).]
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#286969 - 05/05/10 12:08 AM
Re: Incredible composition of Deep Purple...
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14266
Loc: NW Florida
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Never knew you were a Kenny Chesney fan, Gary! Sorry about the family issues... BTW, me, I thought the arrangement was very nice, but the strings (and the occasional slip and use of the sustain pedal on them) were not very convincing. It's VERY difficult to take piano pieces and play them as string pieces, because the voicings and techniques are so different. And the Yamaha string sound from the S900 just doesn't have enough range to work well. It's nice enough for a bed or a floater, but if you make them the ONLY sound you are playing, you need a bit more articulation to be convincing. Thing is, Gary, you can't expect to post anything here and us NOT have an opinion about it! You've got one, after all Sorry we don't necessarily concur, but that what opinions are all about...
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#286970 - 05/05/10 08:15 AM
Re: Incredible composition of Deep Purple...
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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Originally posted by Diki: BTW, me, I thought the arrangement was very nice, but the strings (and the occasional slip and use of the sustain pedal on them) were not very convincing. It's VERY difficult to take piano pieces and play them as string pieces, because the voicings and techniques are so different. And the Yamaha string sound from the S900 just doesn't have enough range to work well. It's nice enough for a bed or a floater, but if you make them the ONLY sound you are playing, you need a bit more articulation to be convincing.
Thing is, Gary, you can't expect to post anything here and us NOT have an opinion about it! You've got one, after all Sorry we don't necessarily concur, but that what opinions are all about... I agree. Nice enough arrangement but I think the things Diki pointed out absolutely apply. As with most of his posts, once you pull the arrow out of your scrotum and re-read what he actually says (instead of how he sometimes says it ), you'll find it to be pretty much spot on. I still smile every time I think of James humorous description of Diki as some kind of relentless Terminator. I only mention it because I'm sure that Diki found it amusing as well . Don't get me wrong, I'm not being mean. I'm probably his biggest fan and supporter on this board. I just sometimes have to laugh at his relentless pursuit of Truth and the eradication of BS (no matter how many lives it destroys in the process - that's a joke ). It's kind of like "Support mental health or I'll kill you". About this song. I still play it occasionally but my version just sounds like the Richard 'Groove' Holmes version that he recorded on his Album, Groove. It's just classic funk/jazz organ from the 60's and would only appeal to fans of that genre' from that era. I'd post an example of it except for the previous sentence . For the record, her (Judy?) arrangement of it would be a good candidate for very good VST strings, but I suspect, as Diki pointed out, it may still be just too mushy if done with just strings alone. Again, it's all subjective. chas
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#286972 - 05/06/10 02:21 PM
Re: Incredible composition of Deep Purple...
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14266
Loc: NW Florida
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Me, I post something to listen to, I WANT opinions. If I wanted nothing but flattery, I would play it to my mother! (Rest her soul) One way I have found of making string patches more realistic is to layer them... Take a nice semi-mushy string sound (like she has done), and take off some of the velocity sensitivity, so it doesn't vary too much as you play softer and louder (if you are using a volume pedal like she is, maybe take it off altogether), then layer a string quartet sound (just solo violin and cello, for instance if you don't have a quartet sample) and make the velocity sensitivity VERY high for that, then turn it down until it JUST pops out when you hit hard. Now, as you play smoothly, you get smooth strings, get frisky and a hair more definition comes in... Works well with smooth strings and spiccato, too Give it a try... The whole purpose of criticism should really be positive... point out flaws, then figure out if they can be avoided. Don't just pretend they don't exist. Who gets better by doing that?!
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