I really can't see why someone would get upset talking about weight, number of keys, brand, model, etc. Anyone is free to bash my Yamaha, Korg, Ketron, Roland, MS, Hammond, Orla... it would mean nothing to me. On the contrary, I might burst out laughing for I think it's tremendously funny when a keyboard (or any other lifeless product) -it's a "thing" for crying out loud- has the power to cause someone to lose his/her temper. Want something light, buy something light. If weight doesn't bother you, buy a tank.

This really isn't about certain individuals messing up a thread. On the contrary, it's about more than two individuals making a mountain out of a molehill.

And you think women talk about silly issues. HA! No wonder there aren't that many here.

Chas hating broccoli bothers me, though.

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Bo pen nyang.

Broccoli isn't bad; it's the wives and mothers that make you eat it ('cause it's good for you) that are bad. Here's a clue. FATHERS never insist that you eat your broccoli .

chas

Yes Taike, neither can I, but it happens. I know from personal experience.

It's good that it doesn't upset you, but, it does manage to upset others...we all have different temperaments, values and tolerance.

What would make me laugh out loud, might be the very thing that would get you very upset and angry.

The very thing that keeps this forum so interesting, that being the varied personalities and cultural backgrounds, can also be a source of conflict.

I remember you being involved in some heated discussions that you took very seriously, while others here thought it was hardly anything to get wound up about at all.

Some people know the exact buttons to push that upsets certain other individuals...who is wrong when that happens...the one who gets upset, or the one who deliberately and knowingly baits them?

And who is wrong when these individuals know exactly what will happen through previous experience, and yet they still continue to push the buttons?

Ian

True, Ian. But that's usually because of someone acting like the forum police. I prefer to let Nigel decide.

On the other hand, I wouldn't lose sleep over someone belittling a product, no matter how much I like it.

Taike

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The thing that often gets my goat is the unwillingness to admit that any compromise is made for one reason or another...

I'll be the first to admit that there are several very useful things I have to do without to be able to use my G70. I also don't deny that the weight is no factor at all. I do what I can to mitigate it, but yes, it could be better. But, for what it does for me, there is no adequate substitute made at this point. But I'm not going to go around and claim it is perfect...

I simply wish that we could talk about our instruments as ADULTS, and not let ego into it. And part of being adult is an ability to recognize that all things have flaws. Lighter keyboards are undeniably compromised compared to their heavier brethren. Especially from the same manufacturer. No-one can seriously claim that the minor weight difference between an S910 and a T3 makes the S910 the better arranger... or CAN they?

Look at what 8 lbs. gets you...

Everybody makes compromises. Only some are willing to admit it, though.

Yes, that's true...it would be nice that we could talk about these things as adults...unfortunately,. as musicians we really haven't grown up all that much.

I hardly think of using an S910 as being "compromised"...there is nothing on the Tyros3 that isn't on the S910 that would make my playing experience that much better.

They are both 61 note, they both have great piano sounds, both 128 note poly, as well as SA/mega voices...the Tyros3 only has a few SA2 voices, and they aren't sounds that I'd use.

They both have audio to USB which is handy for making my CDs...the difference may be substantial for some users, but not for me.

I honestly can't think of any real flaws in the S910, although I suppose when it's successor arrives, I will have it on my sample account, and, hopefully they will not take anything off, but rather, add something else, although, I really can't imagine what else I'd need.

When I had the 3k I wanted audio to USB and SA voices...the S900 had them...the S910 added some great tone-wheel organ voices, and an improved screen...nice additions, but I could have stayed with the S900 if I had to.

I'll be genuinely surprised at what they add to the next S-series...most probably it will have a few SA2 voices, but I really can't think of anything else I would want for my needs.

Perhaps some live synth control knobs like on the PSR-E423, so I can sweep the filter etc, or maybe an arpeggiator, although I already have that stuff on my Jupiter 8.

So, as you can tell...I'm pretty content with what I have...honest!

Ian

The Jupiter 8 is such an awesome synth. You are so very lucky to have one still in good working condition. I have to make do with my JX8P with a PG800 controller and I even love that synth. I still haven't heard a digital analog modelling synth that even comes close to it let alone a Jupiter 8.

I was very lucky with the Jupiter 8...I had sold it, and the guy I sold it to, sold it back to me several years later because he wanted another synth I had at the time.

When I first bought it, it had been used once in a studio, and a month or so later, the guy passed away (heart attack), and his widow put it in the case and stuck up it in the attic of the night club in Newfoundland they owned. She shut down the club, and lived it as a regular home, but eventually, she turned it into a boarding house.

She passed on, and the place went up for sale.

I got the synth at the estate sale...there were several other vintage items...a Rogers drum set, a Fender bass (one of the first...still had original strings, and picks with the store's name on them), a red Fender Contempo Combo organ (I wish I had bought that too), a Fender Twin, a Fender Bassman piggy back with two 12's, a Fender column PA system...everything was as new...apparently it was all bought, by the guy for the house band to use...the last instrument he bought was the Jupiter 8.

Some guys I played with at the time, in a band called the Ducats, a seven piece rock and roll show, bought the rest of the gear, and probably still have it.

The one I have, a Jupiter 8a, has a MIDI retrofit, and it is the latest version with the more stable oscillators and the 14 bit microprocessor (they were 12 bit)...nothing sounds like it, and everything works as it did the day it was new...I don't ever plan to sell it.

I had a JX-8P for a while, with the programmer, which was such a cool addition...that synth is becoming quite valuable too, especially if you have the programmer...it was an excellent bread and butter synth for all those strings, brass and organs, and of course, it was velocity and after-touch sensitive, and very warm sounding...I remember it had a "unison" mode, whereby it stacked two modules together (it was essentially two JX-3P's) and you had a three note poly sound that rivaled a Minimoog for balls.

Vintage synths are just getting to be a valuable commodity like guitars and amps....you've got a great synth there, Nigel...hold on to it.

Ian